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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of this new July 8 1947

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here on the airport professor Phnom Penh

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applying this - found and is now in the

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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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change the game changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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in his way

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network and a GRA the Global Radio

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you listen to fade to black with jimmy

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welcome

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matt says uh yeah man today's Tuesday

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June 23rd 2020

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175 days into the new year only 191 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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planets are Bureau's Jimmy Church

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it's gonna be one of those shows tonight

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because our guest is Laird Scranton then

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he's here to talk about his new book

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primal wisdom of the Ancients I've got

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it right here

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that's right get yourself a copy it's

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not out yet I mean it's out obviously I

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couple of weeks great book be talking

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about that tomorrow night Gregg Housh is

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full night of artificial intelligence

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cannot wait ma'am what what it what a

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great week last night Gary Osborn great

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crazy news today let me get to the

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breaking news CERN is in the news CERN

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CERN has approve of approved plans to

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build a 23 billion dollar super collider

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62 miles in circumference that would

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make the current 27 kilometer dinky 60

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16 tera electron volt Large Hadron

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so-called future circular Collider the

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FCC would smash particles together with

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over 100 TeV s of energy right right now

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they're only using 16 to create many

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more of the elusive Higgs bosons first

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detected by CERN back in 2012 this Higgs

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factory would be key to helping

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physicists learn more about dark matter

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and other mysteries of the standard

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model of physics and now don't worry by

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the way don't worry okay

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fresh black holes and portals to another

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dimension won't happen until the

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construction begins in 2038 so you can

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relax you can't relax whenever you look

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at CERN take a tour watch some videos

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look at the complexity of

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that facility right there engineering

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the cabling the construction who designs

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thousands of engineers and architects

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that are these I mean where does that

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come from and to turn around and do 162

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least two people have died after a 7.4

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magnitude earthquake hit Mexico's

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collapsing buildings and prompting

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evacuations there was a tsunami warning

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that went out the tsunamis were about

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two and a half meters tall that hit up

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the destruction was fairly limited

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considering it was originally reported

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to be a seven point seven was reduced to

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a seven point for the earthquake

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occurred this morning at 10:29 a.m.

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now nasa back in the news NASA's

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Inspector General is investigating

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Boeing one of the two companies

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supplying Commercial Crew vehicles for

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astronaut flights to the International

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Space Station all of this in relation to

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a recent contract competition to land

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astronauts on the moon now according to

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a June 20th report a senior official at

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NASA spoke with the senior Boeing

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executive about the company's bid for a

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commercial moon lander contract and

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you're not supposed to do that right and

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Boeing subsequently attempted to change

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its proposal after the deadline for the

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submission had passed so concerned

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officials within NASA refer this

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situation to the agencies and Inspector

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General Office NASA leadership

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ultimately asked a Doug lavarro to

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as associate administrator of NASA's

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human spaceflight Directorate I

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announced that here on this program when

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Boeing did not win the Lunar Lander

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contract and the matter is still under

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investigation

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there you go all right now the star

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works UFOs an international official

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intelligence conference in Laughlin

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Nevada going down November 5th through

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the 8th is is is happening and I want

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you to go right now click on star works

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USA calm for tickets and information

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we're gonna be there we're gonna be

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doing two nights of sky watches I'm

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gonna be hosting that's going down

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Thursday and Friday we're gonna have

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special guests we're gonna have a lot of

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fun we're doing this at an ancient

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petroglyph site eight miles from the

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Aquarius hotel and casino so you don't

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want to go and check it all out grant

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Cameron's gonna be there Paul Hynek

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James Fox myself Reed is going to be

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there the fade to black Cruise is going

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to be there it's going to be great

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November 5th through the 8th Starworks

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usa.com the banners are over 2 meters

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radio calm and the other big event for

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us everything got cancelled this year

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except for disclosure fest and Starworks

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disclosure fest is going down October

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10th that is Saturday October 10th at

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the historic Los Angeles Park in

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downtown Los Angeles right next to

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Chinatown

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alright that's October 10th Saturday go

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to disclosure fest org it's a free event

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all right go to the disclosure fest org

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to get your tickets and info all right

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let's get the show crackin happy

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birthday to today Glenn Danzig is 65

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years old

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unbelievable warrant guitarist Joey

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Allen today is 56 and our dead guys

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birthday today is Stuart Sutcliffe 1942

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1962 died at the age of 21

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Stewart was a painter and a musician and

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the original bassist of the Beatles he

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also named the band with John Lennon and

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he wanted to name the Beatles BAE T

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instead of B ei T which was changed

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later he quit the band to pursue

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painting and went back to school while

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studying in Germany

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Sutcliffe began suffering from intense

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headaches and experiencing acute light

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sensitivity after collapsing on April

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10th 1962 he was taken to the hospital

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but died in the ambulance on the way

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there

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the cause of death was later found to

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have been a severe brain hemorrhage on

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this day in history oh excuse me Oh TV

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1992 man something is wrong my mouse is

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refusing to scroll and this is a drag I

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it won't scroll honestly in history OTD

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1992 mafia boss John Gotti who was

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nicknamed the Teflon Don after escaping

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several trials during the 1980s is

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sentenced to life in prison after being

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found guilty and 14 counts of conspiracy

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to commit murder and racketeering while

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imprisoned Gotti died of throat cancer

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on June 10th 2002 here's your fader fact

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all right here we go coconuts managed to

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migrate to Central and South America and

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the Caribbean by floating across the

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ocean and were not carried by the

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swallow or even the larger African

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swallow this is a fact but nobody knows

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where they migrated from and that is

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your fate or fact fully vetted by the

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way it was not an African swallow all

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right tonight very special guest Laird

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Scranton is here gonna be talking about

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his new book primal wisdom

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the ancients and when this gets released

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officially there's links up for it now

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we can go and pre-order but I got my

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copy of the book and it's great will be

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discussing this tonight tomorrow night

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Gregg Housh is here we're gonna be

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talking about artificial intelligence

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and not only we're about to do a

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conference on this in Laughlin Nevada

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with Starworks this is something that I

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research nearly every single day and I

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have mmm I have my opinions yeah

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and they kind of swing by the way and I

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think it's good to have an open mind

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I go back and forth on this one and

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there's reasons for it

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you know the good the bad and the ugly

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or do we have stuff to be afraid of is

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there nothing to be afraid of right

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there is so much to to talk about here

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we're gonna do all of that tomorrow

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night with Greg house and then of course

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Thursday night's another failure night

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with open lines all night long let me

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hit this River moon coffee River moon

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coffee calm that's right

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all those promo codes that you need are

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right there at 2 meters ready to die cup

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man I put the hand on my Hulk USB Drive

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backwards there it is there's my it's my

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Hulk USB Drive well it's like this

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everybody there's another dust-up going

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on right now in our UFO community and it

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is the latest is surrounding the Wilson

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document that's right now many

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journalists few specific ones and

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researchers have jumped on the recent

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revelations that retired Rear Admiral

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Wilson says that the author of the

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document dr. Eric Davis has made it a

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hole up at least the parts about him

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which honestly make up the majority of

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what was written in the notes by doctor

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davus now I have already mentioned the

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source of the recent Wilson quotes and

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they came from the blog devoid now

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without getting into all of those

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details that honestly isn't what is most

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important what is important is that the

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Wilson document Israel and it was

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written by dr. Eric Davis that's right

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the dust-up centers around Richard Dolan

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calling the document the most important

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leak of the century yeah well at least

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as far as UFOs are concerned now critics

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want to call out Dolan for making

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another blunder I'm not too sure what

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the other blunders were but I say not so

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first and I must point out that when the

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document first surfaced and I was one of

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the first to get it along with Richard

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its provenance was researched now we

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found out very early on that it came

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from the archives of Edgar Mitchell and

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many in our little group reached out to

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the players involved including dr. Davis

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how put off kid green Steven Greer Grant

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Cameron and others to find out if it was

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real and not something that was authored

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and hoaxed by someone other than dr.

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Eric Davis okay everyone dr. Davis

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included said nothing that's it nobody

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denied it nobody said it was a hoax

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either they couldn't because pretty much

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everybody that was contacted they all

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knew with the exception of

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Steven Greer and grant Cameron bye-bye

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the way that the notes were real and

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written by Eric gave us all right now

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now we we come to an interesting point

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and that is with the reputation that has

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been built by dr. Davis over the years

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most including Richard Dolan would have

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to assume that he wouldn't make this

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stuff up the other issue is there are

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parts of the document that are based on

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real facts okay it's a problem it's a

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problem that we have his name

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dr. Davis his name has been published

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it's been mentioned and revealed over

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and over again not only in the past few

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years with a tip and T TSA and put off

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but going back almost three decades

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since he graduated college back in 1991

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Davis has been at the center of things

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with some very important people which

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continues to this day all right Richard

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Nolan through his research knows this I

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know this everybody knows this so when

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the Wilson documents surface you have to

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take certain things at face value and

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something that was written and

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distributed by dr. Davis carries a lot

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of weight what

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dr. Davis didn't count on back then when

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he wrote it is that first the document

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would eventually surface and go public

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and second that Admiral Wilson would be

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contacted right you know plan on these

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things would be contacted to confirmed

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its contents and that Admiral Wilson

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would deny everything that's everybody

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in a strange position so what happens

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next I don't know does Eric Davis come

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out and deny that that he wrote the

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Wilson well he can't because he did

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right he can't come out and deny it any

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denial would push all of the researchers

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out there and to the facts deeper and

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deeper and and get to the how the what

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the when and the why and everything

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would eventually be revealed so he can't

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do that

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right does Davis come out and and stand

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by the Wilson he can't he can't do that

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Admiral Wilson has already beat him to

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the punch and submitted his denial

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that's first right we would end up in a

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bonafide tit-for-tat back-and-forth and

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accusations of one person not telling

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the truth and pointing the finger at the

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other and we have of course security

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oaths and clearances and and things so

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that can't happen either does Richard

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Dolan come out and make a statement

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about his position and statements about

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the Wilson maybe maybe not at this point

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it doesn't really matter right Richard

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like all of us back then knew that the

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document was real what we didn't know

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then is that the question would be

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raised later that dr. Davis may have

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made it all up and it's actually two

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different things going on here now I

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reached out to Richard earlier today for

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his comments about you know what is

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going on and his response was well

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basically that he doesn't care about

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what people or researchers have to say

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about his leak of the century' statement

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and he still stands by it the real focus

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should be on dr. Davis and why would a

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promising scientist a physicist why

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would he get all caught up in the UFO

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game and start writing science fiction

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and creating made-up drama inside of our

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community this is the real question it

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boggles the mind and it doesn't make any

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sense now we have to go further because

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how does how put off KITT Green Chris

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Mellon Lewis Elizondo Harry Reid and Tom

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DeLonge feel about the possibility of

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having a Fanta cyst in their circle do

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they

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words his reports and his science to

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help support everything that they are

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about and what they are working on there

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is also the issue of security oaths

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NDA's and reputation nobody not put off

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Davis or anybody else with clearances is

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ever gonna go on the record to support

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anything that is in this Wilson dock now

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I remember a couple of years ago when I

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first got the PDF of the a tip reports

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and Richard and I were on the phone for

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a couple of hours going through it all

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line by line and my comment to Dolan

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then which is the same as now was and

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I'm gonna quote myself and I said I

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don't know Richard this is all reading

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like science fiction it's not science

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it's like a screenplay or it's a book

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it's like somebody is making making it

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all up to make some money and quote and

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I still stand by that statement and

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Richard and I talked about this today

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now when we went through a tip and I

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made that statement Richard wanted to

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wait until it had all played out to hang

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on until the facts were in and that is

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always the safe move it's the smart move

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it was the same thing with the Wilson

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docks and the facts came in early

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Richard was correct that the document

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was real and it was written by Davis

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during our phone call today which lasted

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about an hour

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Richard stressed that he has looked at

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every angle every word all of the facts

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and the statements that were made in the

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document and yes he still believes it to

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be the leak of the century now I'm not

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going to get into the endless circle of

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arguing about Wilson and how it's being

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played out in social media the different

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blogs and and articles that are being

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written and statements that are made

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the Admiral is telling the truth the

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Admiral is lying he can't tell the truth

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he he is telling the truth or it's all a

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hoax created by someone for whatever

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reason that it was leaked

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for this reason or that or that there

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are insiders confirming something

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somebody knows somebody who says they

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know somebody you know I'm just not

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gonna get into it there are only two

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people on this planet that know the

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truth about the document and if a

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conversation really happened in a car at

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the back of the eg G building in Las

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Vegas and this dr. Eric Davis and

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retired Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson

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everybody else and I do mean everybody

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don't know nothing including me

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this is fade to black I am your host

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am your host human Church welcome

549
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,420
everybody tonight Laird Scranton is here

550
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:40,559
tomorrow night

551
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,610
Gregg House artificial-intelligence

552
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Thursday night is another Fader night

553
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,200
with an open line all night long man

554
00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:51,480
I've got the hiccups I've got the

555
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:54,750
hiccups during a show that's never

556
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:56,150
happened before

557
00:31:00,440 --> 00:30:58,650
tonight it's out there and researcher

558
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:00,450
Laird Scranton he's here to talk about

559
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,130
his new book I'll hold it up again for

560
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,080
the cameras primal wisdom of the

561
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:06,720
Ancients which is set for release in

562
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,530
July 2020 player graduated from Vassar

563
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:13,080
College 1975 is the author of a series

564
00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:14,580
of books and other writings on ancient

565
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:17,309
cosmology and language this includes

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00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:19,110
articles published in the University of

567
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,570
Chicago's anthropology news academic

568
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:24,299
journal Temple University's encyclopedia

569
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:26,910
of African religion and the Encyclopedia

570
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:29,190
Britannica he is featured in John

571
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:31,530
Anthony West magical Egypt documentary

572
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,929
series and Carmen Baltar's documentary

573
00:31:38,539 --> 00:31:36,360
the pyramid code he's a frequent guests

574
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,549
on a wide range of radio and podcast

575
00:31:43,159 --> 00:31:40,620
interviews shows including red ice audio

576
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:43,169
coast of Costa am and beyond belief with

577
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,000
George Noory and of course right here on

578
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:48,000
fade to black his books include the

579
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science of the Dogon I've got it sacred

580
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,230
symbols of the Dogon I've got it the

581
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,960
cosmological origins of the myth and

582
00:32:00,620 --> 00:31:56,840
symbol I've got that too the Velikovsky

583
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:00,630
the Velikovsky heresy which I have as

584
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,870
well in the mystery of skara brae I

585
00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:06,000
would like to welcome back to fade to

586
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:07,470
black I've got the hiccups

587
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,870
Laird Scranton Laird you've got me

588
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,960
nervous man

589
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:13,980
funny you should talk about hiccups

590
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:15,660
because I've had two cups tonight too so

591
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:18,450
we can we can interrupt each other

592
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:21,299
sentences again man it's crazy it's it's

593
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:24,770
it's I've never had it during the show

594
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:27,870
it's so it must be you must be you Laird

595
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:31,020
that's gotta be the solstice energy you

596
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:33,990
know and the fire eclipsed and it's all

597
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:37,049
that yeah absolutely absolutely how have

598
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:38,340
you been and

599
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,580
and you and Risa the family dealing

600
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:43,260
through everything right now is

601
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:45,570
everything good in the homestead well

602
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,100
we're doing our best to make this the

603
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:49,440
best lock down best pandemic ever you

604
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,190
know it's what can they do is role in

605
00:32:58,340 --> 00:32:55,260
that this is a once in a century event

606
00:33:00,799 --> 00:32:58,350
and we've been lucky you know I joke

607
00:33:02,390 --> 00:33:00,809
that this means that I'm now going to

608
00:33:05,899 --> 00:33:02,400
have to do all my book research and

609
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:05,909
writing from home yeah right what what

610
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:06,680
has changed

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[Music]

612
00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:12,600
yeah exactly and you know same for us

613
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:17,309
over here and that look we have to deal

614
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,520
with this just like everybody else is

615
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,440
it's not easy it's not easy for us it's

616
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,559
not easy for you in the world in the

617
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:27,600
country and we just have to get through

618
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:29,850
it that's it there is there is no easy

619
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:33,630
road on this if we had a if we had a

620
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,390
guide a way to get through this it would

621
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:39,240
be different but all of this is is fresh

622
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:42,840
and new and we just you know just have

623
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:44,490
to write it out and get to the other

624
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:49,049
side have lockdown created any real

625
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:50,340
difficulties for you I know you're a

626
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:54,000
busy guy well what what is strange for

627
00:34:00,909 --> 00:33:58,260
us is we're going through things that

628
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:00,919
we've never had to deal with before and

629
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:04,350
that includes you know shopping and face

630
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:08,580
masks and and shortages of things we're

631
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:12,450
dealing with all of that one of our

632
00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:16,050
daughters had to work from home instead

633
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,349
of going into the office and her college

634
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:21,839
schedule got upended just like everybody

635
00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:24,330
else in the country so we're we're

636
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:27,800
dealing with with all of that

637
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:33,720
fortunately we how do I say this because

638
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:36,839
fade to black isn't at an office you

639
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,690
know we don't have to deal with that or

640
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:42,000
coworkers or things you know we don't

641
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:43,500
have to deal with any of that

642
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:46,280
so our schedule

643
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:49,790
really got interrupted it's everything

644
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,190
else about life that we were accustomed

645
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:55,520
to that stopped and it it's an

646
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:58,040
unfortunate thing it really is and

647
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:59,960
there's crazy things that they're short

648
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:01,430
of and you know one week they're sort of

649
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:03,530
chickpeas why would they be sort of

650
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:05,330
chickpeas another week the short of

651
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:08,630
ketchup there's no rhyme or reason to

652
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:11,630
what what is not on the grocery store

653
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:14,330
shelves yeah and I'm a big fan of ramen

654
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:18,640
noodles and cup of noodles sold out

655
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:22,190
nobody ever bought this before you know

656
00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:24,770
this is my thing what are you doing

657
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:28,340
buying my thing I'm getting shorted on

658
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:30,590
some of the things that I love but it

659
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:32,870
you know it hopefully we're gonna get to

660
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:37,760
the other side of it and I this is this

661
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:42,830
is my take I feel that we have been

662
00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:44,350
forced to go through a paradigm shift

663
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:47,180
how to look at others differently and

664
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:50,450
and how to respect others and and

665
00:35:56,890 --> 00:35:54,200
boundaries and and feelings and emotions

666
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:56,900
do you feel that we're at the same you

667
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:59,450
know like this this this fork in the

668
00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:00,950
road do you feel the same thing is

669
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:04,100
happening yeah I absolutely feel the

670
00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:05,600
same way and I see in a lot of different

671
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:06,980
ways I have a lot of people who contact

672
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:09,170
me with interesting things that that

673
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:11,060
happened for them and getting lots of

674
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:13,730
reports of just a general feeling that

675
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:16,460
this is this is a major paradigm shift

676
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,410
in a lot of ways history's gonna look

677
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:20,720
back on this few this period of a few

678
00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:23,180
months and consider it to be a really

679
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:26,780
exceptional period you know what's

680
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:29,510
interesting is I want to talk about the

681
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:33,650
definition of cosmology and because not

682
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:36,790
only is it is it what you do and it is

683
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:40,070
you know the foundation of this book but

684
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,970
if you think about human history right a

685
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:46,160
hundred years from now 200 years from

686
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:51,910
now the cosmologists the future this

687
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:54,410
2020 is going to be a subject for them

688
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:58,280
it may be it may be an entire semester

689
00:37:26,480 --> 00:36:59,220
at

690
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:26,490
cosmic right we think about our space

691
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:31,800
and and in the way that cosmic is is

692
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:34,980
constantly used throughout the day right

693
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:38,250
and it could be anything but cosmology

694
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:42,270
is well I guess it could be part of the

695
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:45,150
stars but that's not actually what the

696
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:46,680
definition is

697
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,040
what is the definition of cosmology well

698
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:53,640
cosmology is the way that the culture

699
00:37:59,050 --> 00:37:56,520
looks at questions of where things came

700
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,060
from really it's what it boils down to

701
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:01,500
for the cultures I studied that they're

702
00:38:04,339 --> 00:38:02,550
talking about three different things

703
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:04,349
they're talking about where did the

704
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,230
universe come from where did material

705
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:09,119
objects come from where does life come

706
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:13,619
from and all of the ancient symbolism

707
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:15,780
from my perspective focuses primarily on

708
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:17,609
those questions and trying to understand

709
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,740
them what's interesting is that those

710
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:25,500
three themes are seen as parallel themes

711
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:28,290
that that the processes that pertain to

712
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:32,660
one pertain to the others and so some

713
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:36,390
remarkable group back in ancient times

714
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:38,910
looks like they developed system of

715
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:41,490
symbols that a single progression of

716
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:44,190
symbols that simultaneously describes

717
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:47,790
all three of those things so that every

718
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,700
symbol along the way has meaning for all

719
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:52,320
three things here are we talking about

720
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:53,970
how the universe formed are we talking

721
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:56,310
about how matter forms that's part of

722
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:58,290
what makes all the symbols so tricky to

723
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,940
get wrap our arms around you know what

724
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:01,800
does this symbol mean because you can't

725
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:03,210
just ask what does it mean you have to

726
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:04,440
ask what does it mean if we're talking

727
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,400
about the biological reproduction what

728
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,359
does it mean if we're talking about

729
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:10,880
where an atom comes from

730
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:13,490
it's really interesting for me when I

731
00:39:19,029 --> 00:39:16,130
listen to historians even even

732
00:39:22,749 --> 00:39:19,039
physicists by the way when they talk

733
00:39:28,329 --> 00:39:22,759
about the past and they bring up

734
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:28,339
cosmology they always have a focus on

735
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:31,910
their version of cosmology whether it's

736
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:35,140
you know architecture world living or

737
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:41,900
agriculture or languages or or laws and

738
00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:44,809
and teaching in schools it's it's really

739
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:47,269
strange how they narrowly focus on a

740
00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:50,990
certain part for them which is the basis

741
00:39:57,339 --> 00:39:54,500
of their cosmology right is that the

742
00:39:59,230 --> 00:39:57,349
right way to look at it right I mean you

743
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,240
would expect that with so many different

744
00:40:03,759 --> 00:40:01,430
cultures around the world you know all

745
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:03,769
the tribal groups and all the the famous

746
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:05,240
ancient cultures and so forth that we'd

747
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:06,920
have a zillion different ways of looking

748
00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:09,920
at this stuff because each group should

749
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:11,960
have made up the explanation that that

750
00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:15,410
made sense to them yep if that's really

751
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:18,259
what was going on but instead you know

752
00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:20,890
Carl Jung was was flabbergasted that

753
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:23,559
there was there were common themes that

754
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:25,849
spread across you know very widely

755
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:27,529
distant cultures cultures that aren't

756
00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:28,970
thought to have ever had contact with

757
00:40:31,269 --> 00:40:29,509
each other

758
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:31,279
look at a lot of these questions the

759
00:40:35,319 --> 00:40:32,930
same way they use some of the same words

760
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:35,329
they use the same shapes to represent

761
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:37,880
things they write myths about the same

762
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:39,619
themes with characters were doing the

763
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:41,450
same things and it's just very confusing

764
00:40:45,970 --> 00:40:44,089
how can they all have conceptualized

765
00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:45,980
this in the same way there are so many

766
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:48,589
of them well and and there's there's a

767
00:40:53,170 --> 00:40:50,630
couple of interesting ways to look at it

768
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,180
and as we start to give this

769
00:40:57,579 --> 00:40:56,000
conversation going tonight it fans out

770
00:40:59,740 --> 00:40:57,589
in so many different directions so

771
00:41:03,279 --> 00:40:59,750
quickly I mean this should almost be

772
00:41:05,859 --> 00:41:03,289
like a five-part show you know to be

773
00:41:08,339 --> 00:41:05,869
fair and honest with with all of this

774
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:08,349
information but there is something

775
00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:11,480
fundamental going on here where I want

776
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:15,470
to start what I find interesting and and

777
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:17,660
I didn't understand what cosmology

778
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:21,700
really was but what I used to really

779
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:23,400
trip out on

780
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:26,190
as a youngster and I mean very young

781
00:41:32,769 --> 00:41:28,940
eight nine ten years old is how

782
00:41:37,339 --> 00:41:32,779
everybody on the planet every culture

783
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:37,349
invented stairs right every every

784
00:41:47,269 --> 00:41:43,890
culture invented windows everybody did

785
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,279
these things that could not have

786
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:50,339
communicated with each other and I just

787
00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:52,890
thought is it as a DNA it were these

788
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:56,819
instructions embedded you know with

789
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,180
within ourselves to be revealed at an at

790
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:02,000
a later time you know some kind of a

791
00:42:09,859 --> 00:42:06,150
time activated DNA spurt of knowledge

792
00:42:12,859 --> 00:42:09,869
where suddenly because there was no way

793
00:42:14,779 --> 00:42:12,869
that these cultures could communicate

794
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:14,789
each with each other through vast

795
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:18,210
distances so let's kind of start there

796
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:21,690
how is it possible for cultures to

797
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:25,950
develop these same principles seemingly

798
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:27,960
independent of each other no matter what

799
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:32,490
the advancement was well the easy answer

800
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,430
is that they they all had similar needs

801
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:37,920
and so they were each inventing

802
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,450
solutions and and for certain things

803
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:41,460
like how do you get from the ground

804
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:43,020
level of something to the next level of

805
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:45,029
something there are a finite number of

806
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,440
choices you have for how are you going

807
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:47,880
to solve that you can create a ladder

808
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:50,430
you can green stairs you can create a

809
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:53,400
rope ladder if you're really

810
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,170
sophisticated you can create an elevator

811
00:43:00,200 --> 00:42:57,119
there only so many ways you can solve

812
00:43:02,569 --> 00:43:00,210
that an example I like to use is

813
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:02,579
cultures that work with stone primarily

814
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:04,529
to build with that it's only a matter

815
00:43:07,549 --> 00:43:06,089
there only so many things you can do

816
00:43:09,769 --> 00:43:07,559
with stone and so it's only a matter of

817
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:09,779
time before a group would think to stack

818
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:13,319
up those stones to create a pyramid so

819
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:14,910
it's perfectly reasonable to think that

820
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,950
some culture or way around the planet

821
00:43:20,779 --> 00:43:19,020
was a thought to do that as you know and

822
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:20,789
ancient Egypt would and that was

823
00:43:24,799 --> 00:43:22,020
happened in India and what happened all

824
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:24,809
these places that's not really the the

825
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:29,089
issue from my point of view because

826
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,609
connected to that structure is a very

827
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:34,480
complicated set of symbolism

828
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:36,280
there flows from culture the cultures

829
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:37,690
something that doesn't things that do

830
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:39,640
not automatically connect to the idea of

831
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:42,730
stacking stones up these cultures think

832
00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:45,460
of those stacked stones as representing

833
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:48,340
the womb of a woman how you know that's

834
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:51,340
not an intuitive connection or they

835
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:55,420
think to associate star groups with the

836
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,910
faces of destructive poor faces of the

837
00:44:00,690 --> 00:43:59,200
structure that doesn't seem like it

838
00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:00,700
automatically accrues from a choice to

839
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:02,859
stack up stones and it's those kinds of

840
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:04,660
things that make us begin to suspect

841
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:06,850
that we're dealing with a system not

842
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:10,560
with a bunch of random symbolic elements

843
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:16,270
well okay it makes sense and then you

844
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:18,820
have the other complicated part with

845
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:22,510
this when you look at the the structures

846
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:26,250
of ancient ancient prehistoric

847
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:30,460
communities that the topology looks

848
00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:33,910
nearly identical right and it doesn't

849
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:36,070
matter if you're here in North America

850
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:39,490
or you're in Mesopotamia or you're in

851
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:43,330
China or Central or South America these

852
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:46,060
cultures were absolutely building a

853
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:49,810
framework for a town for a community

854
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:52,990
that was identical to somebody that's

855
00:44:58,050 --> 00:44:55,660
thousands of miles away and you don't

856
00:45:00,810 --> 00:44:58,060
get to see what they're building you

857
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:00,820
don't get the idea from there so where

858
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:03,430
does it fundamentally come from to be

859
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:07,320
identical right and had those kinds of

860
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:09,310
commonalities between widely spread

861
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:11,230
groups is part of what contributes to

862
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,780
just as I said the nagging sense that

863
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:15,540
there was something much more than

864
00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:18,070
random associations going on here that

865
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:19,720
that these cultures might have been

866
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:23,970
working from a more ancient system of

867
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:26,230
elements that they all had access to

868
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:29,109
somehow now word now we're getting

869
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:30,930
somewhere

870
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:33,820
not you who was a psychiatrist of course

871
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:35,980
came up with a psychiatric solution to

872
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:37,900
that somebody said you know if you hire

873
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:39,730
a surgeon you can expect to come up with

874
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:43,840
a surgical solution so Jung decided that

875
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:46,690
the logical explanation for that was

876
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:48,100
some kind of collective

877
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:52,780
way for these cultures to access the

878
00:46:03,180 --> 00:45:56,080
same thoughts or same concept without

879
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:03,190
physical access to each other okay so if

880
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:06,970
we before we go back and you know like

881
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:09,010
with with the Dogon which has always

882
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:12,190
been the focus of the research or the

883
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:16,060
Sam kiya as well where they believed and

884
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:17,590
the way that you point this out at the

885
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:21,310
beginning of the book was it just opened

886
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:24,010
up so many thoughts for me that there

887
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:26,590
were two universes created at the same

888
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:28,990
time right but they weren't the only

889
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:31,780
cultures with this outlook - as well

890
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:35,020
and and to start there I think is pretty

891
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:39,460
amazing but I also am fascinated with

892
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,700
that everything is taught which is

893
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:44,800
something that you just mentioned is

894
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:51,490
anything actually invented right there

895
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:54,370
researchers who say come on we're really

896
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:56,350
not giving very much credit ancient

897
00:47:01,980 --> 00:46:59,170
cultures you know that by saying that

898
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:01,990
they were so stupid that they had they

899
00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:03,070
couldn't have met these things for

900
00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:04,600
themselves they had to be taught these

901
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,520
things is really denigrating to the

902
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:09,040
ancient cultures right but what's missed

903
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:11,830
is it's not the researchers like me who

904
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:13,780
are saying that they were taught to

905
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:15,430
stuff the cultures themselves were

906
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,530
saying it I was researched doing some

907
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:19,990
research about the Near East recently

908
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:22,390
and one of the researchers there makes a

909
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:24,550
point he made a statement in his article

910
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,790
he said every last ancient culture he's

911
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:30,400
ever read about makes claims for

912
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:32,470
instruction in ancient times by some

913
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:34,690
somebody more capable than themselves

914
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:38,920
and he said well everything about that

915
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,930
perspective is nonsense and it's time

916
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:42,480
for us to set that aside

917
00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:44,650
he said if we're gonna have respect for

918
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:46,540
these cultures we need to set all of

919
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:49,990
that aside and my feeling was if we

920
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:51,880
truly have respect for these cultures

921
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:54,940
wouldn't we sincerely explore the thing

922
00:48:00,740 --> 00:47:58,170
that they're all telling us is true

923
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:00,750
which takes me to the

924
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:04,050
the fundamental point here is anything

925
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:08,700
actually invented right I mean like

926
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:12,020
invented brand-new idea

927
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:16,410
nobody influenced anybody here something

928
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:21,150
was invented magnetically Smith's mother

929
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:24,690
invented white out from the monkeys

930
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:29,880
that's right I forgot about that but

931
00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:32,880
wait a minute see but okay that's a

932
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:35,820
great point but wasn't paint already

933
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:40,670
around for fifty thousand years right

934
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:43,170
and so we always have to look at things

935
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:45,990
that way and even when we start to get

936
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:51,420
into symbolism we would probably be able

937
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:54,720
to back up and go well yeah these

938
00:48:59,599 --> 00:48:57,420
cultures started here and we can see the

939
00:49:02,060 --> 00:48:59,609
beginning of some symbolism and

940
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:02,070
symbology kicking off but you can back

941
00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:04,530
up forty thousand years before that and

942
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,080
look at cave paintings in France yeah I

943
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,300
get a lot of the same shape with same

944
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:12,240
shapes with the same meaning behind them

945
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:15,839
actually right no that's right or these

946
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:17,910
to the extent that we can interpret what

947
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:20,820
the meaning probably was when we look at

948
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:23,460
yeah go ahead I'm sorry well to tell you

949
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:26,220
talking about inventions so often so

950
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:27,390
many of the things that we know were

951
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:28,859
invented were actually in visit by

952
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,800
mistake like when the glue that they use

953
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,900
for post-it notes the person who

954
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:35,339
invented that was actually trying to

955
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:38,130
invent a super glue and the way the

956
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:39,300
formula came out they came out with

957
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,310
something rather than holding very

958
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:43,440
strongly only held very weakly and they

959
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:44,430
said well I should be able to do

960
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,080
something with this and they ended up

961
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:48,720
creating post-it notes you know I had

962
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:51,210
read it's funny you bring that up I had

963
00:50:00,820 --> 00:49:54,350
read some stuff last week

964
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:00,830
about Neolithic cultures that were using

965
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,610
glue right and and you stop any think

966
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:08,400
about now wait a minute where does the

967
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:12,960
idea where does this germ it'll pop into

968
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,110
the petri dish and and grow right where

969
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:19,260
where does this idea come from where we

970
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:20,930
are going back that far

971
00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:25,710
where you know gemstones and glass or or

972
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:29,430
or wood and things clothing right

973
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:34,740
leather glued together and that's that

974
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:36,390
wasn't actually supposed to be happening

975
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,390
fit ten fifteen twenty thousand years

976
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,300
ago no but you can see that you can

977
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:44,700
imagine that anybody who's out in the

978
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:46,530
forest is gonna eventually stick their

979
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,170
hand in SAP on a tree and realize that

980
00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:52,260
it's sticky and somewhere along one one

981
00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:54,150
bright person you know might have

982
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:55,560
thought gee I might be able to use this

983
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:58,410
for something and III keep going back to

984
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:01,490
the original thought somebody showed

985
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:04,320
right somebody taught them how to use

986
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:09,900
the glue yeah and now if we go back and

987
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:13,700
we start looking at some of this are you

988
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:17,760
ever sitting around and pondering the

989
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:23,490
existence of another high technical

990
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:25,770
culture that isn't around today that we

991
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:28,110
don't have any evidence of that was

992
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:32,610
teaching prehistoric man things going up

993
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,430
into the Stone Age and that some of this

994
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:37,740
stuff was handed down not only you know

995
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:39,810
we'll discuss mythology a little bit

996
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:41,970
later in the show but stuff that was

997
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:46,550
just handed down from cultures that are

998
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:50,310
today unnamed right so that makes

999
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,410
complete sense to me I know that my

1000
00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:54,720
friend John Anthony West thought that I

1001
00:52:00,110 --> 00:51:56,790
know Graham Hancock and other people

1002
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:00,120
promote that idea it's interesting that

1003
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:02,430
where the ancient Egyptians talked about

1004
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:04,710
a first time and the Buddhists talk

1005
00:52:08,059 --> 00:52:06,360
about a first time of instruction the

1006
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:08,069
first time that knowledge was passed

1007
00:52:12,769 --> 00:52:10,680
to humanity by a Buddha the dogon talked

1008
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,779
about a time when humanity was restored

1009
00:52:19,279 --> 00:52:16,079
to culture and so the Dogon perspective

1010
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,289
from the very GetGo is that hey this is

1011
00:52:22,969 --> 00:52:20,640
a cyclical thing that's going on here

1012
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:22,979
that there have been hiked and there has

1013
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,630
been high culture with humanity before

1014
00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:27,599
and that every so often something

1015
00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:29,489
happens to knock us back down to zero

1016
00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:32,549
and this a few of the survivors who knew

1017
00:52:36,789 --> 00:52:34,829
what was going on before are having to

1018
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,799
be around to help us get a leg back up

1019
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:39,420
you mentioned we're gonna be heading

1020
00:52:42,799 --> 00:52:40,859
towards a break here in a second but you

1021
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:42,809
mentioned one time in the conversation

1022
00:52:48,019 --> 00:52:45,209
with China Anthony West something that

1023
00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:48,029
has stuck with me over the years but you

1024
00:52:52,759 --> 00:52:50,219
had mentioned the doggins

1025
00:52:55,729 --> 00:52:52,769
knowledge of the Stars you've mentioned

1026
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:55,739
their knowledge of not only the expanse

1027
00:53:02,359 --> 00:52:59,130
of the universe and an astronomy but

1028
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:02,369
also the quantum physical side of things

1029
00:53:07,729 --> 00:53:05,249
the smallest of the small and that they

1030
00:53:10,009 --> 00:53:07,739
had advanced knowledge of possibly of

1031
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:10,019
what quarks and electrons photons and

1032
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:13,170
atoms were all about and they clearly

1033
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:15,690
represented all of this in their

1034
00:53:21,769 --> 00:53:19,339
language in symbols with that knowledge

1035
00:53:23,739 --> 00:53:21,779
again that's not invented I wouldn't

1036
00:53:27,019 --> 00:53:23,749
think wouldn't that have come from

1037
00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:27,029
somebody else too as well well that

1038
00:53:30,529 --> 00:53:28,859
that's flatly what the Buddhist mother

1039
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:30,539
can say that I came from somebody who

1040
00:53:37,099 --> 00:53:34,319
wasn't human actually and and so when we

1041
00:53:42,949 --> 00:53:37,109
suggest that what are we actually saying

1042
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:42,959
oh well good the dough doesn't give us

1043
00:53:47,749 --> 00:53:46,410
some hints about it they say that there

1044
00:53:50,959 --> 00:53:47,759
was concern on the part of their

1045
00:53:53,029 --> 00:53:50,969
teachers of what the effect on beings of

1046
00:53:56,209 --> 00:53:53,039
flesh and blood would be of prolonged

1047
00:54:00,469 --> 00:53:56,219
contact with purely spiritual beings the

1048
00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:00,479
outlook for the Dogon is that those who

1049
00:54:06,759 --> 00:54:02,999
were teaching us around 10,000 BC or

1050
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,769
around 4000 BC had originally been

1051
00:54:11,479 --> 00:54:08,819
non-material and then sort of crossed

1052
00:54:14,449 --> 00:54:11,489
over into our domain maybe the way we

1053
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:14,459
see a UFO behave as if it were a

1054
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:17,930
dimensional thing rather than a sci-fi

1055
00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:20,890
interplanetary thing and

1056
00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:24,520
are you ok with that I'm absolutely on

1057
00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:26,200
board with that as a matter of fact I

1058
00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:29,020
was reading recently the last last book

1059
00:54:34,859 --> 00:54:32,619
by John Mack who was famous u.s. UFO

1060
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:34,869
researcher a psychiatrist and he opens

1061
00:54:41,609 --> 00:54:39,430
his book with a summary of where he's at

1062
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,619
on the whole question of UFOs and he

1063
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:43,359
spells it out he lays it out in the

1064
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,530
course over the course of a chapter

1065
00:54:50,339 --> 00:54:46,720
here's what I've come to think is going

1066
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:50,349
on folks and pretty much word-for-word

1067
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:52,270
he's on the same page having with

1068
00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:53,890
dentists from a psychological standpoint

1069
00:54:59,309 --> 00:54:56,140
that I've arrived at looking at it from

1070
00:55:01,319 --> 00:54:59,319
an ancient symbolic standpoint I could

1071
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:01,329
have written the same paragraphs and

1072
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:03,099
expressed it all the same way

1073
00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:07,540
now what are you what do you think comes

1074
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:10,660
first I've got about one minute what do

1075
00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:13,690
you think comes first is it structure

1076
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:17,500
when we're talking about cosmology are

1077
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:19,089
you talking about energetically or

1078
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,150
instruction by teacher I'm talking about

1079
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,440
communities okay it looks to me as if

1080
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:27,760
the structure for our earliest

1081
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:29,650
communities came out of a deliberate

1082
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:31,510
civilizing plan that's what the Dogon

1083
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:32,770
are saying and that's what the Buddhists

1084
00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:35,910
are saying that someone deliberately

1085
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,740
helped us establish structures for

1086
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,040
society that were based on the

1087
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:43,720
civilizing plan it's such a fascinating

1088
00:55:47,549 --> 00:55:45,400
subject let's take our break right here

1089
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,559
will continue with layered right after

1090
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this is fade to black I'm Emma Church

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Laird Scranton is here talking about his

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new book primal wisdom of the Ancients

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want to get straight back to it where we

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left off before the break Laird and you

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know bringing up the question of you

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know having a structure or a plan to a

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community is it possible for a culture

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to succeed if it's random right that

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they don't have a plan it's a pretty

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good thing to do today in your own life

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you know you need to have structure you

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need to have a plan you can't live each

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day willy-nilly but it would also apply

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to an ancient culture too as well right

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yeah I mean a community certainly has a

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lot better chance of succeeding if they

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know what they're doing coming into it

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because any place that any temperate

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zone climate village is not going to

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survive a winter I mean this happened

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with the Mayflower pilgrims they arrived

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in New England completely unprepared to

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get through a winter and that they

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hadn't had help they never would have

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survived that first winter so it's much

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much more difficult if you don't know

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what you're doing so the plan and the

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instructor plan obviously would help one

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of the things that I'm most fascinated

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with when I look at and I always go back

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to ancient Egypt when I apply my thought

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processes is that so many things not

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only with Egypt but in in northern

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Africa and certainly Mesopotamia and

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ancient Sumer so many things happen in

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in rapid succession and it's it's it's

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it's cloth it's it's laws right it's

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math it's astronomy it's medicine it's

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architecture so many things just blasted

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out of the gate and we always look at

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ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia for this

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was it possible that all of this

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happened at what appears to be the exact

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same time right I mean and probably is

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possible that there was just some

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confluence of events you know if it came

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together that we've had we we ourselves

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and our lifetimes have gone through

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remarkably productive times for society

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compared to other eras but if you're

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asking the question is it credible based

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on the Dogon and the Buddhist

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perspective that deliberate instruction

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happened in ancient times you go to the

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gobekli tepe region and the Fertile

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Crescent and you see everything

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necessary for civilized life originated

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there its first domestication of animals

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first cultivation of grains the first

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weaving of cloth as you said the first

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the beginnings of language and written

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and sort of the underpinnings of written

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language

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you've got stone masonry you've got

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metal metallurgy you've got all sorts of

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interesting things happening there all

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at once and if there were someone there

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who is very knowledgeable who's

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instructing Humanity in these things

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that's exactly what we would expect to

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see so at least we we we feed that the

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scene is set in a way that makes sense

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in terms of what the Dogon and the

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Buddhists say well and you have so many

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you know we we just scratched the

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surface but it's it's roads it's things

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like shoes right we don't really put

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much thought into this but if you go

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back even a little bit deeper you look

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at the Potteries and Clay's and kilns

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right and and even beyond that to me the

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the most remarkable thing in the world

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is simple everyday bread that the

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processes that a person has to go

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through that they are so

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counterintuitive and to produce a loaf

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01:05:33,099 --> 01:05:30,589
of bread that it's hard to imagine that

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that anybody just sort of accidentally

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01:05:37,930 --> 01:05:36,680
stumbled upon that but there are there

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are hundred different things in the

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society that are like that that they're

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just as what you say you know it doesn't

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look like somebody in

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it makes a lot more sense that that was

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someone was instructed in it and they

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that they innovate because and we can

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:52,910
continue this conversation because it's

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not it's not bread actually it's

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chemistry it's taking it a step further

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01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:07,970
here you know and then and when and when

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you have bread at the same time we get

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alcohol we get beer that's chemistry

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:18,020
right and when how does this come into

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01:06:24,810 --> 01:06:21,650
play when if we look back and we talked

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01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:24,820
about historians and anthropology and

1304
01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:27,680
cosmology that what's really coming into

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01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:32,600
play here is huge advancements that

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01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:35,140
should have taken millions of years and

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01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:39,950
apparently it took a couple of weeks now

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01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:43,880
another example on that same line is all

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01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:46,930
the ancient cultures are focused on

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01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:49,520
their holidays focused on the equinoxes

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01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:53,260
and the solstices but these are events

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01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:55,880
they're not obvious every day I mean you

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01:06:59,490 --> 01:06:57,770
have to really be paying attention you

1314
01:07:02,710 --> 01:06:59,500
almost have to have a pre-existing

1315
01:07:04,930 --> 01:07:02,720
understanding of astronomy to a certain

1316
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:04,940
extent to have any sense or of

1317
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:07,580
observation that an equinox happens or

1318
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:09,620
that a Solstice happens I guess the

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:11,260
Solstice might be a little more obvious

1320
01:07:17,950 --> 01:07:15,050
but without any tools to observe it no

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01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:17,960
telescopes no whatever isn't that

1322
01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:19,640
amazing that all these cultures all

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01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:21,140
around the world picked up on the idea

1324
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:24,230
that there's a cycle with the Sun that

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01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:26,330
goes back and forth and that the middle

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01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:27,740
of that cycle that sometimes even wanted

1327
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:29,950
to pay attention to and and of course

1328
01:07:37,930 --> 01:07:34,250
that leads us to agriculture and you

1329
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:37,940
just brought up bread there is there is

1330
01:07:45,340 --> 01:07:41,060
no bread without the domestication of

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01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:45,350
wheat right and well I think that there

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01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:47,150
were wild there was a wild wheat that

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01:07:51,580 --> 01:07:49,670
people were taking advantage of before

1334
01:07:52,990 --> 01:07:51,590
they domesticated it so it's possible

1335
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:53,000
that someone could have created bread

1336
01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:55,250
before they domesticated the wheat but

1337
01:07:57,070 --> 01:07:56,660
it all seems like it's part of the same

1338
01:08:00,730 --> 01:07:57,080
process

1339
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:00,740
right but I will just throw this out

1340
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:03,500
there directly how is it possible that

1341
01:08:11,350 --> 01:08:08,170
Stone Age man you know 8,000 years ago

1342
01:08:14,530 --> 01:08:11,360
sitting around and instead of feeding

1343
01:08:18,090 --> 01:08:14,540
his family and protecting you know and

1344
01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:18,100
and and hunting is sitting around

1345
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:21,859
contemplating domestication of wheat and

1346
01:08:29,290 --> 01:08:27,410
changing and altering seeds that I don't

1347
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:29,300
understand the complexity of thought

1348
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:33,010
that that could go down back then unless

1349
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:36,740
they were taught how is that pot that's

1350
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:39,200
probably the biggest seminal event in in

1351
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:41,690
human history you and I aren't talking

1352
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:44,210
right now if if wheat was never

1353
01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:48,560
domesticated right right now you're

1354
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:50,720
right that that was a absolutely a

1355
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:52,190
turning point I can understand how

1356
01:08:56,110 --> 01:08:53,810
pottery happens by accident

1357
01:08:59,410 --> 01:08:56,120
if you leave clay near enough to a fire

1358
01:09:00,610 --> 01:08:59,420
you might notice that it hardens and get

1359
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:00,620
the idea that you could make something

1360
01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:02,570
out of it and make it hard by firing it

1361
01:09:07,660 --> 01:09:05,480
that that makes perfect sense to me but

1362
01:09:09,550 --> 01:09:07,670
a lot of the skills that are are picked

1363
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:09,560
up in that era don't or do not seem in

1364
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:13,690
any way intuitive to me yeah because

1365
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:18,530
quite frankly the hunters and gatherers

1366
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:22,060
and those tribes that are out there

1367
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,330
trying to outrun a beast so they don't

1368
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,400
get eaten right that's the first thing

1369
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,080
but they are trying to chase down

1370
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:32,839
another beast so they can kill it and

1371
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:36,140
eat it's called survival the guy that

1372
01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:39,760
decided to stop and contemplate geometry

1373
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:45,640
died now another point of interest is

1374
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:49,670
that the only animals that have ever in

1375
01:09:53,410 --> 01:09:51,290
the history of mankind to our knowledge

1376
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:53,420
have been domesticated were domesticated

1377
01:10:00,120 --> 01:09:55,070
in that region of the Fertile Crescent

1378
01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:00,130
in that era all of them what what do we

1379
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:05,270
what do we do to try to figure out how

1380
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,410
all of this happen are we suggesting

1381
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:10,080
and I understand the off-planet

1382
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:12,370
connection and the possibility of that

1383
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:15,940
but are we suggesting the possibility of

1384
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:20,020
of some entangled download you know

1385
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:23,560
maybe that came to them in a dream you

1386
01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:28,270
know is is is this a possibility not the

1387
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:30,040
way the Dogon described it or the way

1388
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:31,780
the Buddhist described it both of them

1389
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:34,470
are describing deliberate instruction

1390
01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:37,330
akin to classroom destruct instruction

1391
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:41,080
the the Hindus actually as a Buddhist

1392
01:10:46,650 --> 01:10:45,160
I'm sorry actually preserve a structure

1393
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:46,660
that's supposed to represent what their

1394
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:50,110
original classroom looked like at a

1395
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:53,320
place called vulture peak now the

1396
01:10:56,820 --> 01:10:55,150
vulture peak that they celebrate today

1397
01:10:58,920 --> 01:10:56,830
is not the same vulture peak that they

1398
01:11:00,570 --> 01:10:58,930
say this thing happened on but you

1399
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:00,580
you're familiar with gobekli tepe and

1400
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:02,710
you can you can confirm that vulture

1401
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:05,230
peak would be a wonderful name for the

1402
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:07,270
gobekli tepe site with all the carvings

1403
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:09,910
of birds of prey and things on on the

1404
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:11,490
pillars that's right

1405
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:14,260
the Dogon also say that deliberate

1406
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:17,770
instruction in a physical sense not in a

1407
01:11:22,710 --> 01:11:19,750
shamanic sense somebody didn't take

1408
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:22,720
drugs and have a vision this is somebody

1409
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:25,810
acting as a physical teacher in a

1410
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:27,490
physical place teaching a physical group

1411
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:30,420
of people happened at a remote location

1412
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:32,350
actually more that looks like it was

1413
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:34,540
more than one location and you would

1414
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:35,590
think would have to be more than one

1415
01:11:39,690 --> 01:11:37,540
location to reach everybody on the

1416
01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:39,700
planet because it looks like so many

1417
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,200
different cultures around the planet

1418
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:43,360
were instructed in the same thing who

1419
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:46,450
were these messengers you know is this

1420
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:48,460
what you know is referenced in the Bible

1421
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:52,390
as say the watchers or angels but they

1422
01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:56,020
didn't have another word those are some

1423
01:12:00,450 --> 01:11:57,460
of the terms that are used for the term

1424
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:00,460
watcher has some some more specific

1425
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:03,370
cosmological meaning but the idea is the

1426
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:07,180
same now I mean when we think about it

1427
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,430
you know might seem completely off the

1428
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:11,920
wall to be suggesting that something

1429
01:12:18,450 --> 01:12:13,720
non-material could express itself

1430
01:12:20,730 --> 01:12:18,460
materially but but the actual scientific

1431
01:12:21,690 --> 01:12:20,740
theory of how particles come about is

1432
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:21,700
that

1433
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:24,130
a wave of energy collapses to create

1434
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:26,410
particles that wave of energy is

1435
01:12:31,530 --> 01:12:30,010
essentially non material so what science

1436
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:31,540
is saying is that everything in our

1437
01:12:35,070 --> 01:12:33,640
surroundings is the product of something

1438
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:35,080
that was originally non material

1439
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:37,690
becoming material so this is not an

1440
01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:39,850
off-the-wall suggestion it's actually

1441
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:40,990
right straight down the middle of the

1442
01:12:46,860 --> 01:12:45,250
road scientific concept that I think

1443
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:46,870
that was originally non-material might

1444
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:49,210
be able to express itself materially you

1445
01:12:59,610 --> 01:12:56,710
need to expand on that okay we know in

1446
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,620
the quantum world that you've probably

1447
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:02,320
heard of the three slit experiment the

1448
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,330
double slit you have the double slit

1449
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:06,640
right I'm sorry the double yeah right

1450
01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:08,140
the double slit experiment experiment

1451
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:12,580
where an electron is fired at a barrier

1452
01:13:18,690 --> 01:13:16,210
that has two slits in it and if the

1453
01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:18,700
scientists do not pay attention to which

1454
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:21,220
slit the the electron passes through a

1455
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,710
pattern is created on the screen that

1456
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:25,360
looks like a wave that's it's a

1457
01:13:30,210 --> 01:13:28,090
traditional pattern of waves it's as if

1458
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,220
the particle had passed through both

1459
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:32,080
slits at the same time and then it

1460
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:33,670
interfered with it with somehow the

1461
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,530
energy interfered with itself the way a

1462
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:37,120
wave coming into the shore interferes

1463
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:40,510
with itself if they observe it or detect

1464
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:43,080
it in any way coming through those slits

1465
01:13:48,740 --> 01:13:45,730
suddenly the pattern on the wall is a

1466
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:48,750
typical pattern of particles not waves

1467
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:52,740
so somehow the simple act of detection

1468
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,360
causes the energy to flip from a

1469
01:14:00,990 --> 01:13:57,520
wave-like form which is essentially non

1470
01:14:05,670 --> 01:14:01,000
material it's very nearly massless to a

1471
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:05,680
particle that has mass so everything

1472
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:07,150
around us that's going on I mean this is

1473
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:09,970
a little bit like the images that appear

1474
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:11,650
on your computer screen you know that

1475
01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:12,790
what's coming through the Wi-Fi is

1476
01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:14,860
energy but by the time it reaches your

1477
01:14:18,780 --> 01:14:17,140
computer screen that looks like coherent

1478
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:18,790
structures it looks like letters and and

1479
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:22,330
pictures and and symbols and so forth

1480
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:24,730
there's a translation going on there and

1481
01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:26,260
it's happening so quickly that we don't

1482
01:14:30,090 --> 01:14:28,390
even notice it anymore back in the early

1483
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:30,100
days of computers you'd see your screen

1484
01:14:35,310 --> 01:14:32,890
build in three sections or more sections

1485
01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:35,320
you know if you had bad dial-up respond

1486
01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:37,480
time you'd wait for your screen to build

1487
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:39,700
because that translation process was

1488
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:42,130
happening so slowly you could see it but

1489
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:44,350
with any kind of modern technology it

1490
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:45,580
happened so quickly that it's

1491
01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:47,710
transparent to us it's as if it doesn't

1492
01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:49,480
there's no translation happening at all

1493
01:14:56,460 --> 01:14:53,080
and that's what in effect happening with

1494
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:56,470
material structures around us that the

1495
01:15:03,270 --> 01:14:58,780
idea is that an act of perception is is

1496
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:03,280
causing energy in a wave-like form it's

1497
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:04,810
causing the wave function of added

1498
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:07,500
energy - what - what they call collapse

1499
01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:10,090
instantaneously and produce what looks

1500
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:12,100
like a particle so are we suggesting

1501
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:15,340
then that the dogon and and other

1502
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:18,280
cultures did go through this classroom

1503
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:21,210
experience but didn't necessarily know

1504
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:24,610
how they received the information that

1505
01:15:31,620 --> 01:15:28,810
the information only came to them No

1506
01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:31,630
the Dogon say that one of the difficult

1507
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:34,180
problems their teachers were trying to

1508
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,110
solve was how to mitigate the possible

1509
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,480
bad effects that would accrue to us from

1510
01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:42,880
being in contact with them because they

1511
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:44,590
knew that prolonged exposure to them was

1512
01:15:47,790 --> 01:15:45,610
not going to be good for its you

1513
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:47,800
remember the story of Moses on the

1514
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:50,170
mountain better I caution cautions that

1515
01:15:52,890 --> 01:15:51,820
were given to the Israelites to stay

1516
01:15:54,210 --> 01:15:52,900
back don't come clewd

1517
01:15:56,370 --> 01:15:54,220
too close to the mountain because this

1518
01:15:59,310 --> 01:15:56,380
is not safe bad things can happen if you

1519
01:16:01,860 --> 01:15:59,320
get too close well that's the bow look

1520
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:01,870
here is that direct contact between the

1521
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:03,850
non-material teachers and the students

1522
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:05,950
for too long a period of time was not a

1523
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:09,280
good thing so the way that the Dogon say

1524
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:11,650
that was resolved was they decided to

1525
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:15,250
educate eight students at a time they

1526
01:16:19,890 --> 01:16:17,890
would go to a tribal group draw eight

1527
01:16:21,780 --> 01:16:19,900
people out of that tribal group would

1528
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:21,790
take them to a remote location instruct

1529
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,710
those eight people and then let them go

1530
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:25,360
back and teach everybody else and that

1531
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:27,490
sort of minimized the contact and

1532
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:29,710
minimize the risk to just those eight

1533
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:32,260
people do we have it online do we have a

1534
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:38,800
timeline for this we do and it's a it's

1535
01:16:44,670 --> 01:16:41,860
a book-length explanation for why the

1536
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:44,680
time is is what it is it looks to me as

1537
01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:47,230
if because of the way the energetics

1538
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:49,420
work okay

1539
01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:51,370
you know about the Yuga cycle the

1540
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:53,560
concept of the unicycle I do and you

1541
01:17:00,150 --> 01:16:57,370
know that that it's a 2004 26,000 year

1542
01:17:03,959 --> 01:17:00,160
cycle and that it's divided into two

1543
01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:03,969
half cycles we are just now from my

1544
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:05,980
perspective ending a half cycle what's

1545
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:08,410
called the descending half cycle that

1546
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:10,090
started back at the end of the Ice Age

1547
01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:13,199
and it's just wrapping up now

1548
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:16,060
energetically the point of crossover

1549
01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:18,850
between the two universes is indicated

1550
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:22,540
to be at the midpoint of that cycle so

1551
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:25,330
approximately 3600 BC that's about the

1552
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:27,520
time that the Hebrew calendar starts

1553
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:30,550
it's as if the Hebrew calendar marks the

1554
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:34,900
midpoint of that cycle so the most

1555
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:36,310
likely time that we would have had

1556
01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:39,820
direct interaction with non-anomalous ID

1557
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:42,790
as physical in the form of physical

1558
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:46,090
interaction with actual creatures that

1559
01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:48,760
look like entities like intelligent

1560
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:50,710
people right what it would have been at

1561
01:17:57,660 --> 01:17:55,030
3600 BC you go back to back go back to

1562
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:57,670
Tempe times and energetically there are

1563
01:18:02,820 --> 01:17:59,650
some obstacles to that having been them

1564
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:02,830
and so the perspective of John Anthony

1565
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:05,290
West and of Graham Hancock that it looks

1566
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:06,790
like that the Aurora of instruction was

1567
01:18:12,330 --> 01:18:10,570
carried out by by a group that had been

1568
01:18:16,050 --> 01:18:12,340
highly advanced before the end of the

1569
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,060
Ice Age big to me well we have a lot of

1570
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:19,120
things said that that kind of get

1571
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:21,640
complicated here because at 3600 BC I

1572
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:24,010
think all of us can look and go aha okay

1573
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:26,050
a lot of things happen here ancient

1574
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:28,770
Sumer kicked off the the Hebrew calendar

1575
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:33,550
a century or two later things start to

1576
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,670
really come into play which is written

1577
01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:39,280
languages and and mathematics and and

1578
01:18:42,450 --> 01:18:40,750
everything else that we were talking

1579
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:42,460
about a grou culture and and

1580
01:18:48,959 --> 01:18:45,610
organization and metallurgy started to

1581
01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:48,969
kick off all of these things happen but

1582
01:18:54,959 --> 01:18:52,380
what complicates things is gobekli tepe

1583
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:54,969
because some of those things that we

1584
01:19:01,620 --> 01:18:58,810
talked about at 3000 BC actually were

1585
01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:01,630
happening 7,000 years

1586
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:05,620
here actually a continuation of a

1587
01:19:10,770 --> 01:19:08,980
tradition that is very interesting I'm

1588
01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:10,780
actually in the process of wrapping up a

1589
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:15,880
manuscript that connects those dots one

1590
01:19:20,879 --> 01:19:18,210
of the really counterintuitive

1591
01:19:23,250 --> 01:19:20,889
perspectives is that 3600 BC it looks

1592
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:23,260
like we have instruction happening in

1593
01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:25,030
the north of Scotland which is very far

1594
01:19:29,610 --> 01:19:26,440
removed from gobekli tepe

1595
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:29,620
and so one of the urgent questions is

1596
01:19:35,879 --> 01:19:32,380
how could that possibly be how could a

1597
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:35,889
tradition that began at 10,000 BC in

1598
01:19:40,649 --> 01:19:38,770
Anatolia in southern Turkey how could

1599
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:40,659
that possibly have expressed itself at

1600
01:19:47,070 --> 01:19:43,150
3600 BC thousands of years later in

1601
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:47,080
similar form in that place as far away

1602
01:19:52,890 --> 01:19:50,380
as Scotland you know the other day I'm

1603
01:19:55,379 --> 01:19:52,900
so glad you mentioned that the other day

1604
01:19:59,700 --> 01:19:55,389
I'm watching a movie it's a comedy about

1605
01:20:04,350 --> 01:19:59,710
assassins okay alright okay and this

1606
01:20:08,430 --> 01:20:04,360
woman says to this Scottish assassin

1607
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:08,440
right and she says to him with this

1608
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,860
Scottish accent she's American but she

1609
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:13,600
speaks to him in the Scottish accent

1610
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:17,350
which I'm not going to destroy laird she

1611
01:20:23,939 --> 01:20:21,190
said these words are you ready yeah she

1612
01:20:26,970 --> 01:20:23,949
goes I don't carry here from the Orkney

1613
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:26,980
Islands or what secrets of skara brae

1614
01:20:36,350 --> 01:20:32,080
you have right she rattles this off and

1615
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:36,360
I said oh my gos what did she just say I

1616
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,350
couldn't believe it and I thought about

1617
01:20:42,419 --> 01:20:40,480
you immediately and knowing that you're

1618
01:20:44,129 --> 01:20:42,429
going to be on the show and I didn't

1619
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:44,139
want to forget that what secrets of

1620
01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:50,530
skara brae the movies not worth watching

1621
01:20:56,910 --> 01:20:53,380
but that scene was a priceless

1622
01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:56,920
absolutely priceless but but but this

1623
01:21:02,280 --> 01:20:59,830
does start to defy things doesn't it

1624
01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:02,290
because when we look at you bring up

1625
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:06,280
vultures and and the amazing symbolism

1626
01:21:10,919 --> 01:21:10,000
and the 3d art that was created at

1627
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:10,929
gobekli tepe

1628
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:13,210
simply wasn't supposed to exist at that

1629
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:14,580
time line

1630
01:21:19,490 --> 01:21:17,699
right it wasn't now one of the

1631
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:19,500
intuitively connecting pieces to the

1632
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:22,830
Dogon is that the Dogon still preserve a

1633
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:26,400
large stone altar with carvings of

1634
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:28,260
animals on it that are stylistically

1635
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:29,610
indistinguishable from what you're

1636
01:21:37,010 --> 01:21:33,570
seeing at gobekli tepe and this is the

1637
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:37,020
thing I'm sorry it was doing something

1638
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:40,770
is this we we brought up clothing in

1639
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:42,690
cloth and writing and seeds and farming

1640
01:21:46,780 --> 01:21:45,480
in laws and pottery and architecture

1641
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:46,790
right we bring up all of these things

1642
01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:50,730
there was there's one thing that that

1643
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:52,920
throws all of this off for me and it's

1644
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:54,449
tied to gobekli tepe

1645
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:57,540
and that is Armenia and the ancient

1646
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:00,120
Armenian highlands which is where

1647
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:03,030
gobekli tepe sits today it's modern-day

1648
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:05,430
Turkey Turkey has nothing to do with

1649
01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:06,590
gobekli tepe

1650
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:13,380
but the oldest shoes shoes right in the

1651
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,210
world were found there right and now and

1652
01:22:25,459 --> 01:22:20,400
you look at that I'm talking about laces

1653
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:25,469
I'm shoes that are 10 or 15 thousand

1654
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,170
years old you have to stop and ask

1655
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:30,780
yourself where does this knowledge come

1656
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:33,449
from well there was also a link that I

1657
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:36,780
saw this week that as the the permafrost

1658
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:40,530
and the ice melts in the Arctic what

1659
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,449
they're discovering artifacts that have

1660
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:44,640
been preserved under the ice and one of

1661
01:22:50,060 --> 01:22:46,530
the artifacts that has emerged recently

1662
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:50,070
is a baby's onesie made out of leather

1663
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:54,120
that looks for all the world like ignite

1664
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:56,280
immediately what it was it's beautifully

1665
01:23:02,420 --> 01:22:58,410
produced piece of clothing for an infant

1666
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:02,430
and no modern person would have a

1667
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:03,810
question in their mind what they were

1668
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:06,270
looking at here somebody was producing

1669
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,110
and I don't modernly

1670
01:23:14,959 --> 01:23:12,719
admirable clothing 28,000 years ago it

1671
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:14,969
doesn't make any sense it doesn't make

1672
01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:15,690
any sense

1673
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:20,820
and I try to I try to how do I say this

1674
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:24,090
I try to make it so my brain doesn't

1675
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:27,000
hurt all right all right I just try to

1676
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:27,840
go that

1677
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:31,590
route there's got to be an easy way down

1678
01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:33,960
this this path that I'm on here where

1679
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:37,110
I'm not just like tipping everything

1680
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:38,760
over that I know and love

1681
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,650
but there isn't another way to really

1682
01:23:45,410 --> 01:23:43,260
look at it is there not really well you

1683
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:45,420
can look at it we understand that things

1684
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:48,840
are cyclical and any any number of the

1685
01:23:52,700 --> 01:23:50,460
cultures are telling us that every so

1686
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:52,710
often there's a calamity that happens of

1687
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,130
various sorts that basically pushes a

1688
01:24:00,710 --> 01:23:57,960
reset button and sets humanity back to

1689
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:00,720
square one in terms of what they've done

1690
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,920
this is partly why my friend John was so

1691
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:06,600
adamant about his concept of the church

1692
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:08,910
or progress being a really mistaken way

1693
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,310
to look at things the idea that there's

1694
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:13,920
been one continuous progression from

1695
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:16,230
primitive to modern and that were the

1696
01:24:22,820 --> 01:24:20,490
the pinnacle now of the smartest and the

1697
01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:22,830
most capable that humanity has ever been

1698
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:25,310
he says that's nonsense these are the

1699
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:27,930
cycles that have gone on and there been

1700
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:29,580
periods of time when people do an awful

1701
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:31,320
lot more than we do about certain things

1702
01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:33,540
well there would have to be we were

1703
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:35,160
talking about the structure of things

1704
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:37,410
right in the structure of cultures where

1705
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:39,590
you would have to have some type of

1706
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:42,900
organization where historians are trying

1707
01:24:46,730 --> 01:24:44,490
to tell us all of that happened in

1708
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:46,740
Mesopotamia right they did it all

1709
01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:49,110
happened there there's nothing else to

1710
01:24:52,850 --> 01:24:51,750
see here when you look at a site like

1711
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:52,860
gobekli tepe

1712
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:56,070
and there's gonna be more right Gobekli

1713
01:24:59,420 --> 01:24:58,170
attempt is not the only one but when you

1714
01:25:02,000 --> 01:24:59,430
look at gobekli tepe

1715
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,010
if you and i went back in time layer 2

1716
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:04,860
when they were building gobekli tepe we

1717
01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:08,490
would see fields of grain right we would

1718
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,740
see cooks and organization and people

1719
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:13,140
making clothing we would see the

1720
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:17,490
quarry's we would see organization and a

1721
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:20,010
government and a structure that quite

1722
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:21,390
simply shouldn't have been seven

1723
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:24,390
thousand years before Mesopotamia there

1724
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:26,640
isn't there isn't anything else to see

1725
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:30,570
but that because without it gobekli tepe

1726
01:25:34,940 --> 01:25:33,570
wouldn't have been built right right

1727
01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:34,950
well I mean somebody knew what they were

1728
01:25:39,020 --> 01:25:36,780
doing at gobekli tepe there is a second

1729
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:39,030
site called Mardan ma rtin

1730
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:40,930
that is how

1731
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:42,760
oldest quebec we tap a and in the same

1732
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:45,070
region and where the structures are more

1733
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:48,250
in keeping with what you see had on

1734
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:50,730
Orkney island their skara brae

1735
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:55,450
but absolutely there were there has to

1736
01:25:59,160 --> 01:25:56,710
have been a level of societal

1737
01:26:01,740 --> 01:25:59,170
organization maybe not among humanity at

1738
01:26:04,770 --> 01:26:01,750
that point but somebody knew what they

1739
01:26:07,340 --> 01:26:04,780
were doing there if we're talking about

1740
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:07,350
survivors of a culture that was

1741
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:09,970
flourishing before the at the end of the

1742
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:11,620
Ice Age that it might have been humans

1743
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:13,600
who were were they're trying to help

1744
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:15,580
everybody else got a leg up I mean we

1745
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:17,650
know Peace Corps groups and things like

1746
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:22,210
that go into sea and go into societies

1747
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:25,120
after disasters and try to help villages

1748
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:28,060
and cities get back on their feet it's

1749
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,440
not unthinkable for that sort of thing

1750
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:30,880
might have happened after a global

1751
01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:33,520
disaster let's take our break right here

1752
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,230
when we come back I've got to figure out

1753
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,360
what this connection is between gobekli

1754
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:39,760
tepe Norfolk Island you know Laird's

1755
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:41,320
about to bring the big stuff where do

1756
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:42,160
you stay right there

1757
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:44,230
this is fade to black I'm yours Jimmy

1758
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01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:27,600
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know what I miss John Anthony West every

1853
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:05,469
single day I'm sorry I didn't man I'm so

1854
01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:10,570
glad you brought them up is oh this is

1855
01:32:16,290 --> 01:32:12,820
where I wanted to go oh by the way bond

1856
01:32:22,469 --> 01:32:16,300
kook Lootera that's another site near

1857
01:32:26,549 --> 01:32:22,479
gobekli tepe that is being unearthed

1858
01:32:30,540 --> 01:32:26,559
right now equally is incredible maybe

1859
01:32:32,879 --> 01:32:30,550
older too as well before we get to the

1860
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:32,889
Orkney Islands and the connections to

1861
01:32:39,779 --> 01:32:37,030
Armenia and by the way Rita said she

1862
01:32:44,339 --> 01:32:39,789
said tell Laird Armenia has all the

1863
01:32:46,259 --> 01:32:44,349
answers I know there are quite a few

1864
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:46,269
there that's for certain

1865
01:32:53,129 --> 01:32:49,030
well what see the the thing is the more

1866
01:32:53,939 --> 01:32:53,139
that we we dig Rita and I in this

1867
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:53,949
audience

1868
01:33:01,649 --> 01:32:59,440
it seems that down south and Mesopotamia

1869
01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:01,659
and ancient Egypt I get all of that I do

1870
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:04,840
but you go further north and you get

1871
01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:08,380
into the Armenian highlands and and what

1872
01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:11,409
was going on there and it's connections

1873
01:33:17,399 --> 01:33:14,699
around the around the world it's it's

1874
01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:17,409
absolutely incredible and the influence

1875
01:33:24,029 --> 01:33:18,820
of what was going on there

1876
01:33:28,169 --> 01:33:24,039
but before we before we go there when we

1877
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:28,179
talk about Egypt and and so many want to

1878
01:33:33,810 --> 01:33:31,210
talk about Greece and and then Rome

1879
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:33,820
which which happened thousands of years

1880
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:36,130
after everything else I'm talking about

1881
01:33:44,010 --> 01:33:39,090
Greece and Rome why is Asia

1882
01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:44,020
China and India constantly left out of

1883
01:33:47,730 --> 01:33:45,940
the mix there are a lot of researchers

1884
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:47,740
out there that want to talk about India

1885
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:51,490
and and and talk about China in Asia but

1886
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:53,290
for some reason when we talk about

1887
01:34:01,140 --> 01:33:57,280
mythology and cosmology China in India

1888
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:01,150
are left out why is that well China is

1889
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:05,290
left out because there's a huge gap

1890
01:34:11,970 --> 01:34:08,650
between what happened that around 1700

1891
01:34:14,730 --> 01:34:11,980
BC in China and the time when those

1892
01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:14,740
events were reported that we are the

1893
01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:17,020
earliest you know I'm at the latest

1894
01:34:21,420 --> 01:34:19,240
document earliest document we have that

1895
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:21,430
talks about what happened at 1700 BC is

1896
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,560
dated from around 300 BC so because you

1897
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:28,960
have this huge gap where there's no no

1898
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:30,880
written observation whatsoever about

1899
01:34:35,610 --> 01:34:33,070
what was going on all you have are the

1900
01:34:37,740 --> 01:34:35,620
retrospective views and so every

1901
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:37,750
academic researcher has their own

1902
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:39,520
opinion as - oh they meant this oh they

1903
01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:41,290
meant that there's no way to to anchor

1904
01:34:45,390 --> 01:34:42,550
an opinion about what might have

1905
01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:45,400
happened so China is tricky and China is

1906
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:47,080
also very closed mouth about their own

1907
01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:49,330
history so there's a lot that's not

1908
01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:53,020
known there but India for me is right in

1909
01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:54,430
the picture I mean squarely in the

1910
01:34:58,980 --> 01:34:57,160
picture to the point that the Dogon

1911
01:35:01,260 --> 01:34:58,990
material rests on things that happened

1912
01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:01,270
in India and directly in interfaces with

1913
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:03,190
things that happened in India and so do

1914
01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:06,490
the skara brae episodes there are

1915
01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:08,020
numbers of things in the manuscript I'm

1916
01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:10,900
working on that are directly direct ties

1917
01:35:21,140 --> 01:35:15,820
between the orkney island scotland says

1918
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:21,150
and into a buddhist references and the

1919
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:25,150
the the timeline we have so many things

1920
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:27,190
about india again that are left out of

1921
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:30,400
the mix for some reason and i understand

1922
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:34,450
the fascination of greece i do i get it

1923
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:38,050
the mythology and the gods and then it's

1924
01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:41,020
certainly over to rome but when we look

1925
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:43,150
at the cosmology and the mythology of

1926
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:46,030
things everything influenced everybody

1927
01:35:50,919 --> 01:35:49,450
and then we get over to india which has

1928
01:35:54,609 --> 01:35:50,929
a written record

1929
01:35:57,819 --> 01:35:54,619
and linguistics and the language and a

1930
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:57,829
history that goes back probably farther

1931
01:36:03,399 --> 01:35:59,840
than any other civilization on the

1932
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,409
planet right it goes back pretty far the

1933
01:36:08,109 --> 01:36:05,840
problem for researchers in India is that

1934
01:36:10,509 --> 01:36:08,119
there's sort of a finite date for that

1935
01:36:12,669 --> 01:36:10,519
material also there for example

1936
01:36:16,199 --> 01:36:12,679
researchers of Ganesha at the elephant

1937
01:36:18,699 --> 01:36:16,209
god if you talk to the art historians

1938
01:36:20,350 --> 01:36:18,709
there are people from Yale and other

1939
01:36:23,709 --> 01:36:20,360
universities like that who've done

1940
01:36:25,569 --> 01:36:23,719
detailed studies of art their material

1941
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:25,579
only goes back as far as the early

1942
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,489
centuries ad and they're frustrated

1943
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:31,280
because they can't demonstrate through

1944
01:36:36,580 --> 01:36:35,090
art that Ganesha was being celebrated in

1945
01:36:38,859 --> 01:36:36,590
India before that time because they

1946
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,869
don't have any any evidence to show it

1947
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:40,880
but they say that based on their

1948
01:36:43,870 --> 01:36:42,530
material they're absolutely certain it

1949
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:43,880
must have gone back much further than

1950
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:47,449
that if you talk to the textual people

1951
01:36:52,209 --> 01:36:50,090
in in India about who study at India

1952
01:36:55,779 --> 01:36:52,219
their material goes back to maybe

1953
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:55,789
they're the early centuries BC and

1954
01:37:00,429 --> 01:36:58,130
they're in the same situation they can

1955
01:37:01,989 --> 01:37:00,439
tell from their material they say we can

1956
01:37:05,169 --> 01:37:01,999
tell them Ganesha had to have been

1957
01:37:06,819 --> 01:37:05,179
intimately represented in India for a

1958
01:37:09,969 --> 01:37:06,829
long period of time before that we just

1959
01:37:14,529 --> 01:37:09,979
can't prove it now if you go to go back

1960
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,539
to Pepe suddenly we have some symbolism

1961
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:16,400
at Quebec with a page that directly ties

1962
01:37:24,219 --> 01:37:20,090
to Ganesha this is 9,000 years earlier

1963
01:37:28,750 --> 01:37:24,229
than any accepted Indian reference to

1964
01:37:30,819 --> 01:37:28,760
Ganesha where the way you get at it is

1965
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:30,829
there was a ha I could tell from the

1966
01:37:38,529 --> 01:37:35,090
Dogon material back in problem maybe ten

1967
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:38,539
ten years ago that based on

1968
01:37:43,049 --> 01:37:40,249
relationships between what the Dogon say

1969
01:37:45,429 --> 01:37:43,059
and what what said in India about

1970
01:37:47,949 --> 01:37:45,439
scientific references that tied to

1971
01:37:52,109 --> 01:37:47,959
Ganesha that there had to have been a

1972
01:37:54,850 --> 01:37:52,119
cosmological concept of a female Ganesha

1973
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,860
at one point or another and the

1974
01:37:58,739 --> 01:37:56,719
relationship between the female and the

1975
01:38:02,719 --> 01:37:58,749
male Ganesha would have to have been

1976
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:02,729
conceptualized as an embrace

1977
01:38:06,949 --> 01:38:04,409
I'd went and I did some digging and I

1978
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:06,959
discovered that some references that

1979
01:38:10,939 --> 01:38:08,729
said yes in fact there had been that

1980
01:38:13,729 --> 01:38:10,949
concept in India but there were no

1981
01:38:16,219 --> 01:38:13,739
surviving images it had been a concept

1982
01:38:17,930 --> 01:38:16,229
in China that had been specifically

1983
01:38:21,169 --> 01:38:17,940
banned from inclusion and a master

1984
01:38:23,029 --> 01:38:21,179
volume on Buddhism in 1180 by an emperor

1985
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:23,039
in China banned from actually any

1986
01:38:29,089 --> 01:38:26,400
mention in China at all and no surviving

1987
01:38:32,899 --> 01:38:29,099
artistic image of it but if you go to

1988
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:32,909
Japan it survived and it was a highly

1989
01:38:41,149 --> 01:38:35,940
highly secretive form of these embracing

1990
01:38:42,469 --> 01:38:41,159
connections so recent I sort of coward

1991
01:38:44,959 --> 01:38:42,479
the internet looking to see if we could

1992
01:38:47,509 --> 01:38:44,969
find any image any surviving image of

1993
01:38:50,359 --> 01:38:47,519
these hugging Ganesha's I have come up

1994
01:38:52,219 --> 01:38:50,369
with instructions specific instructions

1995
01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:52,229
for how if you're going to build a

1996
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:53,880
statuette to represent that what would

1997
01:38:57,199 --> 01:38:55,530
have to look like what material that had

1998
01:38:59,569 --> 01:38:57,209
to be built out of it had to be made

1999
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,579
from brass how high it had to be what

2000
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:01,920
features the elephants had to have what

2001
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:03,530
their relationship was to each other

2002
01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:06,690
they each have their left foot on top of

2003
01:39:10,819 --> 01:39:08,940
the other ones right foot little details

2004
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:10,829
like that and the representation of the

2005
01:39:21,259 --> 01:39:16,050
image so recently I noticed that when

2006
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:21,269
you go to go back with Pepe you probably

2007
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:22,590
have seen that on the pillars there are

2008
01:39:26,959 --> 01:39:24,510
a number of symbols represented that are

2009
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,969
not animals and among those symbols are

2010
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:29,280
representations of letters that look

2011
01:39:32,779 --> 01:39:31,289
like the letter H in English figures

2012
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:32,789
that look like the letter H in English

2013
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:33,690
that's right

2014
01:39:39,770 --> 01:39:37,260
well on the narrow edge of one of the

2015
01:39:40,969 --> 01:39:39,780
pillars there there are two symbols one

2016
01:39:43,699 --> 01:39:40,979
that looks sort of like a stylized

2017
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:43,709
version of that age and another one that

2018
01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:45,570
looks like an Egyptian Sun glyph with

2019
01:39:47,839 --> 01:39:47,369
sort of a parenthesis next to it that's

2020
01:39:52,939 --> 01:39:47,849
right

2021
01:39:55,009 --> 01:39:52,949
okay now the thing is that if you I was

2022
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,019
posted posting that image on Facebook

2023
01:39:59,540 --> 01:39:57,119
along with some other images and the

2024
01:40:04,250 --> 01:39:59,550
thing that Facebook does is if you post

2025
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,260
multiple images that when you look at it

2026
01:40:09,319 --> 01:40:06,719
at the level of the Facebook feed it

2027
01:40:11,719 --> 01:40:09,329
magnifies certain portions of the images

2028
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,729
and it what was magnified in that image

2029
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:12,960
was the

2030
01:40:18,260 --> 01:40:15,840
stylized H and I suddenly could see for

2031
01:40:21,410 --> 01:40:18,270
the first time that it wasn't actually a

2032
01:40:24,050 --> 01:40:21,420
satellite stage what it actually was was

2033
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:24,060
a picture a depiction of two elephants

2034
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:27,810
together now this is in the context of

2035
01:40:31,820 --> 01:40:30,270
any number of other symbols half a dozen

2036
01:40:35,780 --> 01:40:31,830
other symbols that come back with Pepe

2037
01:40:37,459 --> 01:40:35,790
that all redundantly express the idea of

2038
01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:37,469
non materiality coming together with

2039
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:39,000
materiality which is what the two

2040
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:41,850
Ganesha's represent Rita and I were

2041
01:40:45,380 --> 01:40:44,670
talking about this last week it's

2042
01:40:47,450 --> 01:40:45,390
fascinating

2043
01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:47,460
I know right now Rita just spun around

2044
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,280
down in her studio go what do what do

2045
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:53,040
what did Laird just say because we were

2046
01:40:59,900 --> 01:40:55,290
discussing this and looking at other

2047
01:41:02,680 --> 01:40:59,910
images of the not only of the embrace

2048
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:02,690
but other images like this throughout

2049
01:41:09,530 --> 01:41:06,750
cultures around the world it's not and

2050
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:09,540
going back to the H symbol - as well and

2051
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:13,040
what that may signify and how that was

2052
01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:15,719
cropping up around the world there is

2053
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:17,700
now that that H symbol we know what it

2054
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:20,100
means because it survived in the Masonic

2055
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:23,010
tradition I came across an article from

2056
01:41:28,940 --> 01:41:26,760
the early 1900's in a Masonic magazine

2057
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:28,950
called the New Age magazine and the

2058
01:41:33,380 --> 01:41:31,110
entire article in the in the magazine

2059
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:33,390
was devoted to this figure of the age

2060
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,590
and it's explicitly represented the idea

2061
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,420
of non material energy coming together

2062
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:41,040
with material energy which is the

2063
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:43,110
definition of a sanctuary in ancient

2064
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:46,920
times you know that some on I think on

2065
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:52,290
that same pillar we have carved arms

2066
01:41:56,030 --> 01:41:53,610
coming out of the side of the pillars

2067
01:41:57,860 --> 01:41:56,040
that extend down the side to flat faces

2068
01:41:59,209 --> 01:41:57,870
of the pillar and then the hands with

2069
01:42:01,670 --> 01:41:59,219
their fingers wrap around the end of the

2070
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:01,680
pillar that's right that's a concept of

2071
01:42:05,979 --> 01:42:03,090
an embrace that's right he goes through

2072
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:05,989
an Egyptian cut hieroglyphic dictionary

2073
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:09,330
there are a dozen entries for the

2074
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:11,370
concept of an embrace and every word

2075
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:13,410
entry is a homonym it's pronounced like

2076
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:16,710
one important cosmological term so

2077
01:42:19,940 --> 01:42:18,810
essentially with the Egyptian

2078
01:42:22,190 --> 01:42:19,950
cosmological words they're saying

2079
01:42:26,669 --> 01:42:22,200
embrace embrace embrace embrace embrace

2080
01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:26,679
embrace this is a core concept it's the

2081
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:28,360
conceptualization of how the two

2082
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:30,070
energies come together between the

2083
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:32,530
universes and the Ganesha's were one of

2084
01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:34,330
the way to representing that now in the

2085
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:35,620
book my book that we're talking about

2086
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:37,800
tonight

2087
01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:40,870
redundant expression of the same idea is

2088
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:43,300
the way that original references confirm

2089
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:45,010
what they were talking about it happens

2090
01:42:47,729 --> 01:42:45,610
in myth

2091
01:42:50,250 --> 01:42:47,739
it happens with symbolism at Quebec we

2092
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:50,260
today we see as I said a half a dozen

2093
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:52,810
different symbolic elements that all say

2094
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:56,170
all refer to the concept of the two

2095
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:57,850
energies coming together which is the

2096
01:43:02,910 --> 01:42:59,250
definition of a sanctuary

2097
01:43:05,970 --> 01:43:02,920
so these Ganesha's are hugely important

2098
01:43:07,709 --> 01:43:05,980
because you could argue that the figures

2099
01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:07,719
warm pictures of elephants but in the

2100
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:09,460
context of all those other symbols that

2101
01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:11,530
mean the same thing it's got to be the

2102
01:43:14,910 --> 01:43:13,000
two elephants that's the only only

2103
01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:14,920
representation that could also represent

2104
01:43:23,540 --> 01:43:18,460
that same concept and what about what

2105
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:23,550
about that combined with a

2106
01:43:34,530 --> 01:43:28,449
representation of the universe or or a

2107
01:43:36,689 --> 01:43:34,540
dual universe they they didn't get down

2108
01:43:43,169 --> 01:43:36,699
okay they didn't get down to that level

2109
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:43,179
of trying to represent things what my

2110
01:43:49,470 --> 01:43:46,810
book primal wisdom is about is about all

2111
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:49,480
of the aspects of this tradition that

2112
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:52,270
demonstrate what highly capable teachers

2113
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:54,610
these were who were instructing us and

2114
01:44:00,689 --> 01:43:57,370
the various techniques they use to try

2115
01:44:02,010 --> 01:44:00,699
to convey meaning to us now if we

2116
01:44:03,959 --> 01:44:02,020
understand that whether if they're

2117
01:44:07,110 --> 01:44:03,969
talking about energies between universes

2118
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:07,120
this is a very sophisticated scientific

2119
01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:09,550
question you know you're not expecting

2120
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,800
hunters and gatherers that's right to

2121
01:44:15,930 --> 01:44:13,360
really have knowledge of this stuff so

2122
01:44:17,550 --> 01:44:15,940
the intended target of the symbolism is

2123
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:17,560
way in the future they're aiming it at a

2124
01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:19,690
highly technological audience like

2125
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:21,670
ourselves who are going to recognize

2126
01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:23,050
some of these references that are

2127
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,390
unmistakable but you can't get out of it

2128
01:44:28,770 --> 01:44:27,040
if you don't have microscopes and

2129
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:28,780
telescopes and and knowledge of

2130
01:44:35,129 --> 01:44:31,810
something scientific so whoever the

2131
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:35,139
teachers were were faced with a really

2132
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:37,960
interesting task of trying to figure out

2133
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,210
how can i express things in

2134
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:42,400
way that a hunter-gatherer is going to

2135
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:44,730
understand and be able to convey forward

2136
01:44:48,959 --> 01:44:47,290
but it's also going to resonate with

2137
01:44:50,580 --> 01:44:48,969
this future audience it's highly

2138
01:44:52,979 --> 01:44:50,590
technological how are they how are we

2139
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:52,989
going to communicate a concept to these

2140
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:56,080
people well one way they did it was by

2141
01:45:00,540 --> 01:44:58,480
respect expressing it in redundant ways

2142
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:00,550
hoping that one or another of those

2143
01:45:08,850 --> 01:45:04,690
methods would hit with us and how would

2144
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:08,860
they especially back then understand and

2145
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:10,690
I'm talking about the teachers here

2146
01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:13,030
right the instructors right how they

2147
01:45:18,270 --> 01:45:15,550
would understand these individual human

2148
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:18,280
characteristics you know right and

2149
01:45:23,729 --> 01:45:20,890
what's interesting is that Gobekli Pepe

2150
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:23,739
is an excellent example of them not

2151
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,530
being familiar enough yet whoever put

2152
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:28,480
those things together whoever made those

2153
01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:31,360
carvings is demonstrating a lack of

2154
01:45:35,370 --> 01:45:33,640
sophistication about certain things it

2155
01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:35,380
would be the longest time to understand

2156
01:45:40,380 --> 01:45:36,820
that those arms were meant to represent

2157
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:40,390
a loving embrace because they are cold

2158
01:45:46,140 --> 01:45:42,870
as stone they do not in any way look

2159
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:46,150
like an artistic representation of a

2160
01:45:52,110 --> 01:45:50,170
loving warm familial embrace and and for

2161
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:52,120
me and this is what's interesting is

2162
01:45:59,100 --> 01:45:55,690
when I remember I talked to you about

2163
01:46:04,290 --> 01:45:59,110
this years ago but when I first looked

2164
01:46:07,410 --> 01:46:04,300
at the belt okay the belt right well

2165
01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:07,420
there's many belts but okay but the one

2166
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:09,940
belt I caught my eye is the same pillar

2167
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:11,530
with the hand yeah I'm the same pillow

2168
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,690
over at the hands I saw a few things

2169
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:16,239
that stood out I didn't understand the

2170
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:17,920
symbology I didn't understand the

2171
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:21,010
cosmology I didn't but what I did see

2172
01:46:28,050 --> 01:46:23,890
was sophistication

2173
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:28,060
I saw a belt buckle what where is a belt

2174
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:31,020
buckle and a belt coming into play at

2175
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:36,730
10,000 BC how is that possible I looked

2176
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:39,790
at artwork I saw the H on the side of

2177
01:46:46,410 --> 01:46:43,450
the belt and I see decor

2178
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:46,420
I see artistic I saw the house of Hermes

2179
01:46:55,090 --> 01:46:51,290
right where where I'm looking at

2180
01:46:58,060 --> 01:46:55,100
deep deep understanding of aesthetics

2181
01:47:01,000 --> 01:46:58,070
it's a beautiful belt buckle it's a belt

2182
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:01,010
it's it's worn it's it's hell and you go

2183
01:47:08,380 --> 01:47:04,250
back and you look at her right and you

2184
01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:08,390
look at her man and you see how he is

2185
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:11,510
dressed along the same time scales right

2186
01:47:16,810 --> 01:47:13,310
we're dealing at the same time where

2187
01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:16,820
these concepts of art and clothing and

2188
01:47:22,330 --> 01:47:20,360
what is pleasing to the eye should not

2189
01:47:25,210 --> 01:47:22,340
have been come into play but they

2190
01:47:29,410 --> 01:47:25,220
certainly put it on this pillar for us

2191
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:29,420
to see now today the question is why you

2192
01:47:33,610 --> 01:47:31,370
know and and we look deeper into the

2193
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:33,620
symbolism and now there is actually a

2194
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:37,850
story behind this and what was what was

2195
01:47:43,390 --> 01:47:40,489
left for us to see you know ten twelve

2196
01:47:46,780 --> 01:47:43,400
thousand years later right and I'll tell

2197
01:47:49,690 --> 01:47:46,790
you that from my perspective it all

2198
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:49,700
comes down to what why that that as you

2199
01:47:56,020 --> 01:47:52,610
start to get perspective on what the

2200
01:47:57,580 --> 01:47:56,030
symbolism is each symbol is ultimately

2201
01:48:01,210 --> 01:47:57,590
able to be brought down to a specific

2202
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:01,220
way and this is part of the mindset of

2203
01:48:05,050 --> 01:48:03,530
the instructors who were involved in

2204
01:48:06,490 --> 01:48:05,060
this and that part of the reason we want

2205
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:06,500
to be familiar with the mindsets of the

2206
01:48:11,710 --> 01:48:08,810
instructors because that's a huge piece

2207
01:48:18,220 --> 01:48:11,720
of sorting out what the Y is about

2208
01:48:21,490 --> 01:48:18,230
certain things the okay let's not get

2209
01:48:23,260 --> 01:48:21,500
away from what we were starting to talk

2210
01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:23,270
about here because I want to I want to

2211
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:25,160
circle back to this but before we get to

2212
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,400
the break and you had mentioned this to

2213
01:48:33,070 --> 01:48:31,040
me over the weekend the connect the

2214
01:48:35,979 --> 01:48:33,080
connection of the Armenian Highlands and

2215
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:35,989
gobekli tepe all the way over into the

2216
01:48:43,450 --> 01:48:37,730
Orkney Islands what is it that caught

2217
01:48:47,290 --> 01:48:43,460
your eye well the first thing that

2218
01:48:49,900 --> 01:48:47,300
caught my eye was and there is no

2219
01:48:51,790 --> 01:48:49,910
official theory on or theme among

2220
01:48:56,740 --> 01:48:51,800
researchers on orthia so we're the first

2221
01:48:58,330 --> 01:48:56,750
farmers on Orkney came from that there

2222
01:49:04,600 --> 01:48:58,340
they know they arrived sometime between

2223
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:04,610
4,000 BC and 3600 BC and they

2224
01:49:08,970 --> 01:49:05,810
have a really good idea of certain

2225
01:49:11,530 --> 01:49:08,980
artists certain elements they have the

2226
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:11,540
society that came with those initial

2227
01:49:16,570 --> 01:49:13,850
farmers certain plants and they were

2228
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:16,580
growing certain animals they had that

2229
01:49:26,380 --> 01:49:24,100
now the thing is that if you take any

2230
01:49:28,510 --> 01:49:26,390
one of those elements I like there's a

2231
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:28,520
very ancient breed of sheep it's a very

2232
01:49:33,940 --> 01:49:31,370
ancient breed of cattle there's a breed

2233
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:33,950
of six-row barley that is unique in

2234
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:36,410
United Kingdom - or kane' a lot of these

2235
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:38,330
elements the only place in the United

2236
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:39,890
Kingdom you find these things is in

2237
01:49:43,180 --> 01:49:41,210
Orkney and they were there from the very

2238
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:43,190
beginning now if you take any one of

2239
01:49:48,510 --> 01:49:46,280
those elements and you trace where did

2240
01:49:52,090 --> 01:49:48,520
that element come from you discover it

2241
01:49:58,360 --> 01:49:52,100
originated in Anatolia sometime for

2242
01:50:00,430 --> 01:49:58,370
6,000 BC now the problem is that these

2243
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,440
are the same elements that you and I

2244
01:50:03,460 --> 01:50:01,760
were just talking about being the

2245
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:03,470
foundation of civilization on the whole

2246
01:50:11,380 --> 01:50:07,970
planet so theoretically there's any

2247
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:11,390
number of paths that that sheep might

2248
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,850
have taken to get to Orkney you can't

2249
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:16,400
say that because it came originally from

2250
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:18,410
Anatolia well everybody's sheep came

2251
01:50:22,450 --> 01:50:21,080
from Anatolia so you can't point a

2252
01:50:23,650 --> 01:50:22,460
finger down I totally and say well the

2253
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,660
farmers must have come from there

2254
01:50:27,490 --> 01:50:25,840
because they had the Sheep

2255
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:27,500
you couldn't might have come across

2256
01:50:31,660 --> 01:50:29,450
these these elements might have come

2257
01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:31,670
across Europe piecemeal and they

2258
01:50:36,150 --> 01:50:32,840
happened to come together again on

2259
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:36,160
Orkney the Orkney people are sort of

2260
01:50:41,950 --> 01:50:38,530
predisposed to want to think they have

2261
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:41,960
Scandinavian origins and so if you try

2262
01:50:46,150 --> 01:50:44,060
to argue that it came from any other

2263
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:46,160
place besides Scandinavia there's a

2264
01:50:52,690 --> 01:50:48,370
whole lot of resistance to saying that

2265
01:50:56,440 --> 01:50:52,700
now what sparked the manuscript I'm

2266
01:50:59,490 --> 01:50:56,450
currently working on is I suddenly came

2267
01:51:01,690 --> 01:50:59,500
to realize that you don't just have this

2268
01:51:03,820 --> 01:51:01,700
first of all you shouldn't be

2269
01:51:05,770 --> 01:51:03,830
considering the elements individually

2270
01:51:08,260 --> 01:51:05,780
you should be considered considering

2271
01:51:10,690 --> 01:51:08,270
them as a cluster and there's not just a

2272
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:10,700
cluster of agricultural elements there's

2273
01:51:15,130 --> 01:51:13,340
also a cluster of cosmological elements

2274
01:51:18,129 --> 01:51:15,140
there's a cluster of linguistic elements

2275
01:51:20,290 --> 01:51:18,139
there are clusters sytle elements like

2276
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:20,300
traditions there are architectural

2277
01:51:24,929 --> 01:51:22,010
elements like the houses and other

2278
01:51:29,879 --> 01:51:24,939
structures they build now some of those

2279
01:51:31,779 --> 01:51:29,889
clusters can't reasonably have moved

2280
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:31,789
piecemeal they had to have moved

2281
01:51:37,979 --> 01:51:34,010
together I'll give you an example

2282
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:37,989
no one could argue that the concept of

2283
01:51:42,609 --> 01:51:40,880
Father Son and Holy Ghost can't arrived

2284
01:51:45,810 --> 01:51:42,619
at the Vatican piecemeal it had to

2285
01:51:48,370 --> 01:51:45,820
arrive as a unit

2286
01:51:51,580 --> 01:51:48,380
no one could argue that the letters

2287
01:51:56,199 --> 01:51:51,590
ABCDE who've arrived someplace piecemeal

2288
01:51:58,330 --> 01:51:56,209
they had to have come as a unit so the

2289
01:52:00,879 --> 01:51:58,340
cosmological elements that I'm pursuing

2290
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:00,889
are that sort of element that they

2291
01:52:04,750 --> 01:52:02,570
belong together conceptually with a

2292
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,760
philosophy they can't possibly have

2293
01:52:08,199 --> 01:52:06,800
arrived accidentally independently and

2294
01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:08,209
then come back together in the right

2295
01:52:15,009 --> 01:52:10,729
form they had to have arrived as a group

2296
01:52:17,169 --> 01:52:15,019
so the the approach of this manuscript

2297
01:52:19,689 --> 01:52:17,179
is to say let's not just track the

2298
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:19,699
agricultural elements let's track them

2299
01:52:24,370 --> 01:52:21,530
hand-in-hand with these other clusters

2300
01:52:26,589 --> 01:52:24,380
because we ought to be able to trace

2301
01:52:31,810 --> 01:52:26,599
where all of those clusters together

2302
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:31,820
moved at one moment and by doing that we

2303
01:52:37,689 --> 01:52:34,729
can define a path of transmission for

2304
01:52:41,259 --> 01:52:37,699
the entire tradition that originates in

2305
01:52:45,879 --> 01:52:41,269
it in Anatolia at 10,000 BC and arrives

2306
01:52:49,270 --> 01:52:45,889
at on Orkney at 3600 BC now there was a

2307
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:49,280
development this week that really adds

2308
01:52:56,259 --> 01:52:52,610
to to that outlook there was a discovery

2309
01:52:58,109 --> 01:52:56,269
this week at near Stonehenge it was

2310
01:53:01,569 --> 01:52:58,119
announced yesterday I think that's right

2311
01:53:04,029 --> 01:53:01,579
okay there's a place near Stonehenge

2312
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:04,039
called Durrington walls it was a

2313
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:06,649
community that was set very near by some

2314
01:53:11,020 --> 01:53:09,050
even say that it was a mirror site the

2315
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,030
Stonehenge and it may have been a site

2316
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:12,800
constructed out of wood not out of stone

2317
01:53:18,489 --> 01:53:16,010
that's right but they've just discovered

2318
01:53:21,399 --> 01:53:18,499
through radar penetrating our

2319
01:53:24,819 --> 01:53:21,409
ground-penetrating radar that you have

2320
01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:24,829
what they're calling a series of 20 to

2321
01:53:29,620 --> 01:53:27,409
30 shaft to the ground set in a circle

2322
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:29,630
around during through walls roughly in

2323
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:30,920
the circle

2324
01:53:37,630 --> 01:53:33,290
now these shafts as they're calling them

2325
01:53:43,570 --> 01:53:37,640
are five up to five and a half meters

2326
01:53:45,850 --> 01:53:43,580
deep and up to 20 meters in diameter so

2327
01:53:49,050 --> 01:53:45,860
those are the dimensions of the

2328
01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:49,060
enclosures that go back with heavy and

2329
01:53:54,220 --> 01:53:52,060
there are roughly 20 bit 20 known

2330
01:53:55,330 --> 01:53:54,230
enclosures under the ground buried under

2331
01:53:57,010 --> 01:53:55,340
the ground that go back to attempt a

2332
01:54:00,400 --> 01:53:57,020
they're between 20 and 30 of these same

2333
01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:00,410
enclosures and Stonehenge what they look

2334
01:54:06,220 --> 01:54:03,710
like to me is classrooms I have to go

2335
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:06,230
back we Pepe they've already ruled out

2336
01:54:09,340 --> 01:54:07,730
that this is a this couldn't have been a

2337
01:54:10,930 --> 01:54:09,350
village a place for people living year

2338
01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:10,940
round because there's no permanent

2339
01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:12,710
source of water nobody could live there

2340
01:54:17,020 --> 01:54:14,740
it can't have been a fortification

2341
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:17,030
because it haven't found any weapons or

2342
01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:20,870
any any walls that were fortified enough

2343
01:54:24,490 --> 01:54:22,940
to protect anybody from anything they

2344
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:24,500
know it wasn't a burial site because

2345
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:26,330
they haven't come up with any bones the

2346
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:28,460
best they can figure is that it was a

2347
01:54:32,140 --> 01:54:30,800
ritual site where people came to but if

2348
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:32,150
you if you look at all the elements you

2349
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:33,440
and I've been talking about it looks

2350
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:35,510
like an instructional centre and if you

2351
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:36,890
trust what the Buddhists and the Dogon

2352
01:54:41,860 --> 01:54:39,110
say it looks very much like it was an

2353
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:41,870
instructional centre of school so you go

2354
01:54:46,630 --> 01:54:44,450
to Stonehenge and you find these same

2355
01:54:49,930 --> 01:54:46,640
enclosures and you ask yourself why

2356
01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:49,940
would anybody need 20 chambers big

2357
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:52,220
enough to see people at gobekli tepe the

2358
01:54:59,050 --> 01:54:56,000
chambers have benches set all around the

2359
01:55:00,880 --> 01:54:59,060
walls why do you need benches around the

2360
01:55:02,230 --> 01:55:00,890
walls because students assume they're

2361
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:02,240
listening to somebody talking in the

2362
01:55:07,690 --> 01:55:06,320
middle right so you've got a connection

2363
01:55:10,330 --> 01:55:07,700
that they don't know how old it is it

2364
01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:10,340
now goes at least to the Neolithic Inn

2365
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:14,630
at Stonehenge now that looks very much

2366
01:55:20,110 --> 01:55:16,250
like what you got to go back with Pepe

2367
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:20,120
it's a continuation of a tradition when

2368
01:55:26,020 --> 01:55:22,450
when I read the press release yesterday

2369
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:26,030
and this discovery at Stonehenge I had

2370
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:30,320
pictured before I got deep into what was

2371
01:55:39,460 --> 01:55:37,000
placement of stones right or some type

2372
01:55:41,939 --> 01:55:39,470
of columns and then then I continued on

2373
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:41,949
I read Knight why I read

2374
01:55:49,169 --> 01:55:46,510
comments that were in other releases

2375
01:55:53,339 --> 01:55:49,179
from the archaeologists there that use

2376
01:55:57,569 --> 01:55:53,349
words like bunkers right these were

2377
01:56:01,100 --> 01:55:57,579
rooms these were not places to you know

2378
01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:01,110
for stones or or wooden shafts or

2379
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:04,360
columns that these were these were these

2380
01:56:12,350 --> 01:56:07,150
were rooms they were chambers right and

2381
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:12,360
the whole mindset at at scar Brae was to

2382
01:56:16,919 --> 01:56:14,590
celebrate they deliberately built their

2383
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:16,929
their houses into berms

2384
01:56:22,979 --> 01:56:20,320
it gave them insulation from weather and

2385
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:22,989
so forth and so in the absence of having

2386
01:56:29,370 --> 01:56:25,449
that berm material to build a structure

2387
01:56:30,810 --> 01:56:29,380
in to add drinks in wrong walls you can

2388
01:56:32,939 --> 01:56:30,820
imagine that they dug down into the

2389
01:56:35,089 --> 01:56:32,949
ground to get the same insulating effect

2390
01:56:38,250 --> 01:56:35,099
had that put a roof over the top of it

2391
01:56:39,810 --> 01:56:38,260
now another interesting connection is at

2392
01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:39,820
Durrington walls I said they were

2393
01:56:46,830 --> 01:56:42,940
building out of wood there are all sorts

2394
01:56:49,259 --> 01:56:46,840
of signs that large wooden pillars were

2395
01:56:50,489 --> 01:56:49,269
placed in the same configurations very

2396
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:50,499
similar to what they have in Seaside

2397
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,920
Stonehenge another nearby stone site but

2398
01:56:57,540 --> 01:56:55,599
originally built out of wood and they

2399
01:57:00,419 --> 01:56:57,550
can see the post holes and they can see

2400
01:57:03,989 --> 01:57:00,429
even that some of the blue stones were

2401
01:57:05,339 --> 01:57:03,999
placed in the post hole and then removed

2402
01:57:08,850 --> 01:57:05,349
from the post hole before it was placed

2403
01:57:11,009 --> 01:57:08,860
at Stonehenge if you go to go back to

2404
01:57:13,949 --> 01:57:11,019
tap a nearby go back to tempeh you have

2405
01:57:15,509 --> 01:57:13,959
post post holes that survived from the

2406
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:15,519
same areas go back to Dembe

2407
01:57:21,419 --> 01:57:18,550
well it looks like to me is that while

2408
01:57:23,850 --> 01:57:21,429
one group was off excavating stones from

2409
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:23,860
the quarry the group that was going to

2410
01:57:27,839 --> 01:57:25,209
have to place those stones was

2411
01:57:31,439 --> 01:57:27,849
practicing using large trunks of trees

2412
01:57:35,370 --> 01:57:31,449
hmm they were establishing a skill set

2413
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:35,380
for a group of workers so that they knew

2414
01:57:39,239 --> 01:57:37,119
what the heck they were doing once they

2415
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:39,249
had this this massive stone to try to

2416
01:57:45,330 --> 01:57:43,690
put into place I've got to take a break

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right here I was just reading a question

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that popped up here in Twitter I will

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get to some of these questions on

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Twitter after the break I guess tonight

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Laird

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welcome back pain to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church great conversation going on

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right now with lyrics Trenton talking

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about his new book primal wisdom of the

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Ancients and it's an amazing read it's

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yep it's available on Amazon and through

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happy to get my copy over the weekend

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knowing that you were coming on the show

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you can go in pre-order now I wanted to

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okay just a couple of follow-ups with

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Orkney really quick this came in on

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02:02:54,090 --> 02:02:50,860
Twitter what about similarities between

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gobekli tepe animal images and those of

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02:03:01,560 --> 02:02:56,650
the pics and descendants of the early

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Scots on orchid on Orkney Island you

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02:03:06,450 --> 02:03:04,810
don't find them first of all you don't

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have a lot of carved images from the

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Neolithic here on Orkney you only have

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02:03:15,570 --> 02:03:12,850
minimal inscriptions there to work for

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02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:15,580
them is compared to an ancient Egypt or

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02:03:18,900 --> 02:03:17,890
so forth you have just a very minimal

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02:03:20,490 --> 02:03:18,910
amount of evidence you have some

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02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:20,500
architecture and you have some

2539
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:24,880
megalithic sites and you have language

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02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:29,770
and you have a few other elements to go

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02:03:34,170 --> 02:03:32,290
by on on Orkney that as compared to

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02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:34,180
ancient Egypt so you don't have carved

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02:03:40,130 --> 02:03:37,290
animals and images to really compare but

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02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:40,140
some of the stuff descends into later

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02:03:47,150 --> 02:03:43,930
eras in the United Kingdom and when you

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02:03:51,690 --> 02:03:47,160
get in when it gets to tracing the

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02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:51,700
gobekli tepe tradition to Orkney you you

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02:03:56,130 --> 02:03:53,770
hit some overlaps and places where you

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02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:56,140
have matching images where you wouldn't

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02:04:00,660 --> 02:03:58,090
expect to find them that are one of the

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02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:00,670
confirming pieces that says this it

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02:04:04,980 --> 02:04:02,290
we're on the correct path raff for all

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02:04:07,860 --> 02:04:04,990
this and connect but it's not out of the

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02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:07,870
Orkney Neolithic era it's out of later

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02:04:11,820 --> 02:04:09,760
eras in the United came you know what I

2556
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:11,830
find fascinating is you know when you

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02:04:14,910 --> 02:04:13,450
look at sites like gobekli tepe

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02:04:18,450 --> 02:04:14,920
certainly Giza

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02:04:21,570 --> 02:04:18,460
and Stonehenge and and you you let your

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02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:21,580
imagination go and wonder what you know

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02:04:27,210 --> 02:04:23,170
if you could go back in time and see

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02:04:29,910 --> 02:04:27,220
what everybody was doing Orkney is right

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02:04:32,580 --> 02:04:29,920
up there man you look it's the the

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02:04:37,590 --> 02:04:32,590
photographs of these ancient megalithic

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02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:37,600
sites on and around Orkney Island and

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02:04:42,510 --> 02:04:40,240
that was an advanced culture just makes

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02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:42,520
you wonder what was going on so many

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02:04:47,670 --> 02:04:45,730
thousands of years ago yep absolutely

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02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:47,680
and very interesting times there was a

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02:04:54,180 --> 02:04:49,450
documentary about Orkney done by the BBC

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02:04:57,810 --> 02:04:54,190
and 2017 I think it came out Neal Oliver

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02:04:59,400 --> 02:04:57,820
and he finishes it by saying look in the

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02:05:01,290 --> 02:04:59,410
neolithic there were really really

2574
02:05:04,020 --> 02:05:01,300
interesting things going on on Orkney

2575
02:05:07,290 --> 02:05:04,030
this was a Center for the development of

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02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:07,300
any number of cultural advancements in

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02:05:13,290 --> 02:05:11,050
that period of time now let's see okay

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02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:13,300
I've got some basic questions here for

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02:05:21,090 --> 02:05:17,530
you don't laugh okay don't laugh when

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02:05:28,230 --> 02:05:21,100
we're talking about cosmology what came

2581
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:28,240
first the metaphor or religion okay

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02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:30,370
first of all what we're talking about

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02:05:35,550 --> 02:05:33,040
from a modern perspective as religion is

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02:05:38,910 --> 02:05:35,560
not at all what we're talking about when

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02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:38,920
he when you deal with what I consider to

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02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:41,650
be original elements of tradition that

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02:05:46,260 --> 02:05:43,690
I'll give you an example of what the

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02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:46,270
differences are first of all in the

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02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:47,710
original version of the tradition

2590
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:50,290
they're not deifying anything that there

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02:05:54,930 --> 02:05:52,330
are pieces there that humanity doesn't

2592
02:05:58,130 --> 02:05:54,940
understand but it's not trying to deify

2593
02:06:00,240 --> 02:05:58,140
those pieces yeah we're talking about

2594
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:00,250
concepts of creation but it's really

2595
02:06:08,630 --> 02:06:02,110
strictly a scientific viewpoint of

2596
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:08,640
things it's expressly not theistic so I

2597
02:06:13,220 --> 02:06:11,110
would say absolutely the metaphor came

2598
02:06:16,830 --> 02:06:13,230
first the metaphor is one of the pivotal

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02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:16,840
devices that a teacher has to be able to

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02:06:23,550 --> 02:06:19,570
relay a concept to a person and it's a

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02:06:25,140 --> 02:06:23,560
really useful device that if you know

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02:06:26,370 --> 02:06:25,150
that your student already understands a

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02:06:27,660 --> 02:06:26,380
particular process

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02:06:30,780 --> 02:06:27,670
and you want to explain a complicated

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02:06:32,910 --> 02:06:30,790
process to them that that is parallel to

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02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:32,920
that you can accomplish the whole

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02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:35,110
instruction with just by saying that

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02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:37,770
look at you you already know about a

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02:06:42,510 --> 02:06:40,840
apply that that this that's how B works

2610
02:06:44,010 --> 02:06:42,520
you know making T is not all that

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02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:44,020
different from making copy if you know

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02:06:48,510 --> 02:06:46,960
how to make T then you have a real big

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02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:48,520
head start on how to how to make a cup

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02:06:55,770 --> 02:06:52,480
of coffee the entire system was very

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02:06:59,640 --> 02:06:55,780
Cape carefully predicated on building

2616
02:07:03,540 --> 02:06:59,650
blocks the Dogon language preserves root

2617
02:07:06,510 --> 02:07:03,550
syllables of of the cosmology every

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02:07:10,620 --> 02:07:06,520
syllable represents sort of a root

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02:07:12,689 --> 02:07:10,630
concept and more complicated concepts

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02:07:15,870 --> 02:07:12,699
are expressed by putting these building

2621
02:07:17,939 --> 02:07:15,880
blocks together to the point that I know

2622
02:07:19,620 --> 02:07:17,949
by looking at a word just by hearing how

2623
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:19,630
it's pronounced I can make a pretty good

2624
02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:21,610
guess as to what the the meaning of the

2625
02:07:27,060 --> 02:07:25,150
word was I go to Maori dictionary in New

2626
02:07:29,070 --> 02:07:27,070
Zealand and they're expressing things

2627
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:29,080
using the same syllables so I know

2628
02:07:33,570 --> 02:07:31,090
before I start that when they express a

2629
02:07:34,830 --> 02:07:33,580
certain word that is really likely that

2630
02:07:39,180 --> 02:07:34,840
they're talking about a thing I already

2631
02:07:41,850 --> 02:07:39,190
know about now something that makes that

2632
02:07:44,070 --> 02:07:41,860
even more powerful is that the themes of

2633
02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:44,080
the creation the three themes I was

2634
02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:46,510
talking about universe versus matter

2635
02:07:51,959 --> 02:07:50,530
versus biological life are we're told

2636
02:07:54,689 --> 02:07:51,969
from the beginning of these are parallel

2637
02:07:56,580 --> 02:07:54,699
processes so anything we know about one

2638
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:56,590
of those processes automatically applies

2639
02:08:03,419 --> 02:08:00,880
to the other more importantly when we're

2640
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:03,429
talking about the way energy works there

2641
02:08:10,350 --> 02:08:06,639
are a handful of dynamics of energy that

2642
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:10,360
repeat in very similar form all the way

2643
02:08:17,070 --> 02:08:12,370
up the scale from the quantum world to

2644
02:08:19,439 --> 02:08:17,080
the universe and beyond if we if there's

2645
02:08:21,209 --> 02:08:19,449
a structure that is within our frame of

2646
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:21,219
view that we can look at and understand

2647
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,679
how that structure works or a dynamic of

2648
02:08:30,060 --> 02:08:25,679
energy that we can look at and examine

2649
02:08:32,970 --> 02:08:30,070
we can guess we can infer from what we

2650
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:32,980
see what the process has to be at a

2651
02:08:36,899 --> 02:08:35,650
level we can't see so there's certain

2652
02:08:38,820 --> 02:08:36,909
things we know about the quantum world

2653
02:08:42,030 --> 02:08:38,830
we know how they work or about how

2654
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:42,040
to have those work whereas we don't know

2655
02:08:48,030 --> 02:08:44,850
certain things about how galaxies were

2656
02:08:49,410 --> 02:08:48,040
but if we know that this parallelism we

2657
02:08:51,420 --> 02:08:49,420
automatically have a head start on

2658
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:51,430
sorting that stuff out and whoever put

2659
02:08:56,580 --> 02:08:54,730
the system together was leveraging those

2660
02:08:59,130 --> 02:08:56,590
parallels that's part of why there's

2661
02:09:03,690 --> 02:08:59,140
such emphasis in the tradition on

2662
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:03,700
parallels on duality on pairing of

2663
02:09:08,940 --> 02:09:06,400
opposites because you can learn things

2664
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:08,950
because to two things you're being

2665
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:10,810
taught are parallel to each other you

2666
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:13,840
can also intuitively learn something by

2667
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:15,610
being told that this is the opposite of

2668
02:09:18,930 --> 02:09:17,530
that if you know what hot is you have a

2669
02:09:22,020 --> 02:09:18,940
much better understanding of what cold

2670
02:09:24,690 --> 02:09:22,030
is as soon as the student grasp the idea

2671
02:09:27,090 --> 02:09:24,700
of an opposite now you have an instant

2672
02:09:30,150 --> 02:09:27,100
toehold into immediately intuitively

2673
02:09:34,940 --> 02:09:30,160
expressing to somebody something they

2674
02:09:42,420 --> 02:09:34,950
don't already know was it was this a way

2675
02:09:45,740 --> 02:09:42,430
into moving into creation of order right

2676
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:45,750
in the in the rule of law and using

2677
02:09:56,220 --> 02:09:50,890
science through metaphor to to greater

2678
02:09:58,530 --> 02:09:56,230
organization and away from entropy yes

2679
02:10:02,460 --> 02:09:58,540
from the very start probably the first

2680
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:02,470
exercise that a buddhist initiative

2681
02:10:07,410 --> 02:10:04,930
under goes is they need to learn and

2682
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:07,420
memorize some basic geometry for

2683
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:10,090
aligning a shrine and they practice that

2684
02:10:15,120 --> 02:10:13,570
in sand on a terrace and then they later

2685
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:15,130
go out into a field and actually align a

2686
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:17,770
shrine and set things up so that it's

2687
02:10:23,450 --> 02:10:19,810
properly aligned at north south east and

2688
02:10:25,410 --> 02:10:23,460
west that geometry is defined as

2689
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:25,420
creating an ordered space from a

2690
02:10:30,210 --> 02:10:28,330
disordered space and so that's one of

2691
02:10:32,220 --> 02:10:30,220
the the immediate concepts that they're

2692
02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:32,230
trying to convey is we're moving from

2693
02:10:36,120 --> 02:10:34,480
disorder to order and you can think of

2694
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:36,130
every piece of this as being a part of

2695
02:10:40,650 --> 02:10:38,530
that imposing a degree of order on

2696
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:40,660
something that's already disordering was

2697
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:44,050
it was all of these basic concepts

2698
02:10:51,070 --> 02:10:48,320
you know what do they come from

2699
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:51,080
the basic things like the Sun is going

2700
02:10:59,140 --> 02:10:52,970
to pop up the next day right you have

2701
02:11:01,000 --> 02:10:59,150
the consistency of the Sun and seasons

2702
02:11:03,970 --> 02:11:01,010
and then of course you have the weather

2703
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:03,980
and the chaos that weather brings but

2704
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:07,910
then after that you have water to grow

2705
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:12,370
crops right it is is is this the string

2706
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:15,440
that allowed the metaphor to be put

2707
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:16,810
together

2708
02:11:24,490 --> 02:11:20,450
water is an interesting point to mention

2709
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:24,500
because that even modern astrophysicists

2710
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,930
very often used water to illustrate

2711
02:11:30,430 --> 02:11:28,880
dynamics of energy because they're

2712
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:30,440
parallel to each other this is one of

2713
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:32,480
the the parallels that I'm talking about

2714
02:11:38,110 --> 02:11:35,450
we everyone of us understand intuitively

2715
02:11:40,330 --> 02:11:38,120
just by being a person about dynamics of

2716
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:40,340
water we know how it flows we know how

2717
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:43,370
how it moves we know what properties it

2718
02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:45,890
has we know how it can be transmuted

2719
02:11:51,700 --> 02:11:48,800
from water to ice or to steam things

2720
02:11:54,910 --> 02:11:51,710
like that each of the dynamics of water

2721
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:54,920
is a metaphor an automatic metaphor for

2722
02:11:59,290 --> 02:11:56,810
a dynamic of energy and so you have

2723
02:12:03,150 --> 02:11:59,300
endless references in the symbolic

2724
02:12:05,740 --> 02:12:03,160
system to water and it's not incidental

2725
02:12:08,860 --> 02:12:05,750
actually I've come around to the point

2726
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:08,870
of view where it seems very possible to

2727
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:12,010
me that the dynamic of these universes

2728
02:12:17,500 --> 02:12:15,410
that form in pairs is the same as the

2729
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:17,510
dynamic of two hydrogen atoms in a

2730
02:12:23,050 --> 02:12:20,810
molecule of water that when they're

2731
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:23,060
talking about the universe being water

2732
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:25,130
it's not just a metaphor it's actually

2733
02:12:29,050 --> 02:12:27,290
literal and that's again part of the

2734
02:12:31,930 --> 02:12:29,060
process they're very careful to choose

2735
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:31,940
metaphors that at first a student might

2736
02:12:35,290 --> 02:12:33,890
imagine is this is just a nice

2737
02:12:38,260 --> 02:12:35,300
convenient metaphor to explain this

2738
02:12:39,550 --> 02:12:38,270
thing but it goes way beyond that and

2739
02:12:42,130 --> 02:12:39,560
when you get to a certain level you

2740
02:12:43,660 --> 02:12:42,140
realize that they didn't say that

2741
02:12:45,070 --> 02:12:43,670
because it was metaphoric they said that

2742
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:45,080
because it was literal and I never

2743
02:12:53,530 --> 02:12:50,450
suspected it was literal and so there

2744
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:53,540
was a transition here and I don't know

2745
02:12:59,260 --> 02:12:56,239
if it was nearly overnight but the

2746
02:13:01,450 --> 02:12:59,270
concepts of religion

2747
02:13:03,490 --> 02:13:01,460
I feel that they came after the metaphor

2748
02:13:07,450 --> 02:13:03,500
things metaphor I've been first and

2749
02:13:11,260 --> 02:13:07,460
there were reasons for metaphors and and

2750
02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:11,270
not only storytelling but it was lessons

2751
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:13,489
and it was teaching and and everything

2752
02:13:17,560 --> 02:13:14,840
that came along with it

2753
02:13:19,570 --> 02:13:17,570
but I decided the science came first and

2754
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:19,580
the metaphor was just an instructional

2755
02:13:25,660 --> 02:13:23,090
tool to be able to present them in a way

2756
02:13:28,240 --> 02:13:25,670
they're two concerns here one is getting

2757
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:28,250
the an immediate class of initiates to

2758
02:13:33,310 --> 02:13:29,330
understand what you're talking about

2759
02:13:36,459 --> 02:13:33,320
right but the bigger picture is we're

2760
02:13:39,310 --> 02:13:36,469
trying to we have a motive for wanting

2761
02:13:41,050 --> 02:13:39,320
to be communicate these ideas thousands

2762
02:13:42,939 --> 02:13:41,060
of years down the line to somebody so

2763
02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:42,949
not only do we want to present it to you

2764
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:45,110
in a way that makes sense to you but in

2765
02:13:48,850 --> 02:13:46,880
a way that's gonna hold form and make

2766
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:48,860
sense to somebody five thousand years an

2767
02:13:53,890 --> 02:13:51,170
hour or ten thousand years it has to

2768
02:13:56,260 --> 02:13:53,900
stay consistent it can't change right

2769
02:13:59,709 --> 02:13:56,270
and there are ways of demonstrating that

2770
02:14:02,680 --> 02:13:59,719
that hasn't changed in with Buddhism and

2771
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:02,690
the Dogon system we have two very

2772
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:05,530
closely matching symbolic systems and so

2773
02:14:10,930 --> 02:14:08,000
anything that an authority on Buddhism

2774
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:10,940
today understand in the same way that an

2775
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:14,000
authority on Dogon symbology understands

2776
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:17,810
yet we can interpret we can infer that

2777
02:14:21,370 --> 02:14:19,280
that's an original reference because

2778
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:21,380
they can't have accidentally

2779
02:14:29,530 --> 02:14:26,170
misunderstood it the same way and so

2780
02:14:33,459 --> 02:14:29,540
when we bring religion into the picture

2781
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:33,469
was religion an extension of metaphors

2782
02:14:42,490 --> 02:14:38,330
to not only control the masses but also

2783
02:14:46,689 --> 02:14:42,500
some of the ideas and ideals that were

2784
02:14:50,979 --> 02:14:46,699
surfacing and that that includes the

2785
02:14:57,160 --> 02:14:50,989
behaviors of how do i I want to say this

2786
02:15:01,320 --> 02:14:57,170
correctly using objects the for for

2787
02:15:04,930 --> 02:15:01,330
warship or for guidance and also to

2788
02:15:08,350 --> 02:15:04,940
hopefully instill memory so things

2789
02:15:10,419 --> 02:15:08,360
cannot be forgotten over time am I am I

2790
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:10,429
correct and look at looking at it this

2791
02:15:14,979 --> 02:15:11,570
way

2792
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:14,989
yeah and to make that a little little

2793
02:15:21,729 --> 02:15:19,250
clearer if we're trying to represent a

2794
02:15:25,180 --> 02:15:21,739
shape or an image like the shape of an

2795
02:15:27,790 --> 02:15:25,190
electron orbit a picture or a symbol as

2796
02:15:30,370 --> 02:15:27,800
the trick because we can draw the Dovan

2797
02:15:32,819 --> 02:15:30,380
do draw a picture that specifically

2798
02:15:35,919 --> 02:15:32,829
represents the same component of of

2799
02:15:38,140 --> 02:15:35,929
matter that's an electron orbit or an

2800
02:15:41,200 --> 02:15:38,150
electron does and it's a match for a

2801
02:15:42,939 --> 02:15:41,210
typical electron orbital shape that's

2802
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:42,949
called what buddhism calls an adequate

2803
02:15:46,660 --> 02:15:45,170
symbol it's a shape that adheres in

2804
02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:46,670
nature that we can't possibly

2805
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:48,530
misunderstand when we see it it can't

2806
02:15:52,540 --> 02:15:51,170
lose its meaning over time because it's

2807
02:15:53,709 --> 02:15:52,550
right there in nature if you have the

2808
02:15:56,410 --> 02:15:53,719
technology you'll see it you'll

2809
02:15:58,660 --> 02:15:56,420
understand what we're talking about now

2810
02:16:01,120 --> 02:15:58,670
that works for shapes but if we're

2811
02:16:04,020 --> 02:16:01,130
talking about wanting to convey convey

2812
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:04,030
the idea of a dynamic there's

2813
02:16:10,270 --> 02:16:07,040
fluctuations of energy at the quantum

2814
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:10,280
level of matter that express themselves

2815
02:16:13,780 --> 02:16:12,170
of what's what's called virtual

2816
02:16:16,030 --> 02:16:13,790
particles they aren't really particles

2817
02:16:19,330 --> 02:16:16,040
they're really just ripples there are

2818
02:16:20,859 --> 02:16:19,340
akin to ripples in water if you watch

2819
02:16:22,540 --> 02:16:20,869
the surface of water you see the ripples

2820
02:16:23,649 --> 02:16:22,550
emerge and then dissipate and emerge and

2821
02:16:26,050 --> 02:16:23,659
dissipate you don't know where the next

2822
02:16:28,479 --> 02:16:26,060
ones going to turn up very similar

2823
02:16:30,129 --> 02:16:28,489
dynamic to what happens with energy now

2824
02:16:31,930 --> 02:16:30,139
if you're trying to explain that dynamic

2825
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:31,940
to somebody a picture doesn't do the

2826
02:16:37,450 --> 02:16:34,729
trick anymore and so what they did was

2827
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:37,460
they invented mythological characters

2828
02:16:44,020 --> 02:16:40,370
and the carrot the name of the character

2829
02:16:46,839 --> 02:16:44,030
tells us what aspect of energy the

2830
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:46,849
character represents and then the

2831
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:48,649
characters who represent those dynamics

2832
02:16:52,839 --> 02:16:50,240
of energy of their aspects of energies

2833
02:16:54,759 --> 02:16:52,849
are described as doing particular things

2834
02:16:57,190 --> 02:16:54,769
which happen to be the same things that

2835
02:17:00,520 --> 02:16:57,200
energy does in the dynamic that's being

2836
02:17:05,230 --> 02:17:00,530
represented and everything comes into

2837
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:05,240
play here water electricity force right

2838
02:17:10,179 --> 02:17:08,090
movement right and really it all rests

2839
02:17:14,049 --> 02:17:10,189
on as I said a handful of dynamics of

2840
02:17:16,750 --> 02:17:14,059
energy those are the fact that when two

2841
02:17:18,730 --> 02:17:16,760
energetic streams water or energy come

2842
02:17:23,049 --> 02:17:18,740
together that are of different qualities

2843
02:17:24,850 --> 02:17:23,059
they tend to spin that's called angular

2844
02:17:27,130 --> 02:17:24,860
impulse is the end

2845
02:17:29,430 --> 02:17:27,140
see of them to start to spin spinning

2846
02:17:33,100 --> 02:17:29,440
energy is called angular momentum

2847
02:17:37,050 --> 02:17:33,110
angular momentum evokes something called

2848
02:17:40,090 --> 02:17:37,060
angular inertia and that's a product of

2849
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:40,100
residents like echoing sound and a

2850
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:42,290
product of the resistance that create is

2851
02:17:48,220 --> 02:17:45,290
created by residents and there are a

2852
02:17:50,380 --> 02:17:48,230
whole string of concepts basically a

2853
02:17:52,630 --> 02:17:50,390
half-dozen or between a half dozen a

2854
02:17:54,670 --> 02:17:52,640
dozen concepts of energy all at that

2855
02:17:56,710 --> 02:17:54,680
level of understanding of what happens

2856
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:56,720
with spinning energy that are all the

2857
02:18:00,400 --> 02:17:58,280
symbolism of Ganesha I wrote an entire

2858
02:18:02,920 --> 02:18:00,410
book about Ganesha symbolism and that's

2859
02:18:04,900 --> 02:18:02,930
it that if you understand an Isis

2860
02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:04,910
symbolism you have all those concepts of

2861
02:18:11,081 --> 02:18:06,730
energy at your command

2862
02:18:12,940 --> 02:18:11,091
those am full of dynamics play out in

2863
02:18:14,291 --> 02:18:12,950
parallel all the way up the scale if you

2864
02:18:14,650 --> 02:18:14,301
understand how they work at the quantum

2865
02:18:16,570 --> 02:18:14,660
level

2866
02:18:18,581 --> 02:18:16,580
now you understand what's going on with

2867
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:18,591
atoms now you understand what's going on

2868
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:20,690
with solar systems now you understand

2869
02:18:24,310 --> 02:18:23,210
what's going on with galaxies now you

2870
02:18:27,730 --> 02:18:24,320
understand what's going on with

2871
02:18:31,690 --> 02:18:27,740
universes what are the examples of these

2872
02:18:34,300 --> 02:18:31,700
deities in different cultures ok so then

2873
02:18:37,960 --> 02:18:34,310
those those mythological characters then

2874
02:18:40,780 --> 02:18:37,970
and certain cultures become deified ok

2875
02:18:44,440 --> 02:18:40,790
in dokkan culture the creator deity is

2876
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:44,450
called Amma but we know from Alma's name

2877
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:45,920
the way the root syllables of the

2878
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:49,040
language work arm is a Dogon or Egyptian

2879
02:18:54,791 --> 02:18:51,290
syllable that represents the concept of

2880
02:18:59,970 --> 02:18:54,801
knowledge and ma is a syllable that

2881
02:19:04,750 --> 02:19:02,350
perception is the initiating act that

2882
02:19:08,350 --> 02:19:04,760
causes a wave to collapse to become a

2883
02:19:13,740 --> 02:19:08,360
particle knowledge is a biblical term

2884
02:19:19,420 --> 02:19:13,750
that implies biological conception so

2885
02:19:26,250 --> 02:19:19,430
the creator character is defined in

2886
02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:29,920
so what start out has characters whose

2887
02:19:35,710 --> 02:19:32,690
role is simply to illustrate the sign

2888
02:19:38,710 --> 02:19:35,720
that scientific dynamic suddenly you

2889
02:19:41,710 --> 02:19:38,720
have cultures that feel a need to deify

2890
02:19:43,331 --> 02:19:41,720
and so Amma who Rama is actually the

2891
02:19:47,020 --> 02:19:43,341
name that's the affectionate nickname

2892
02:19:53,890 --> 02:19:50,411
Amma is treated by modern researchers as

2893
02:19:55,571 --> 02:19:53,900
a deity in Dovan culture but in fact AMA

2894
02:19:58,390 --> 02:19:55,581
is not really a deity i'ma is a

2895
02:20:00,310 --> 02:19:58,400
scientific contact and there is there's

2896
02:20:03,251 --> 02:20:00,320
really nothing in Dogon culture that

2897
02:20:06,251 --> 02:20:03,261
rises to the level of what we consider

2898
02:20:08,020 --> 02:20:06,261
to be a deity in ancient culture or ID

2899
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:08,030
they were deity in a modern religion

2900
02:20:20,651 --> 02:20:12,110
yeah even yeah the Hebrew God yah is the

2901
02:20:26,350 --> 02:20:20,661
concept of light the is I see all of

2902
02:20:29,801 --> 02:20:26,360
this rolling over throughout time right

2903
02:20:33,730 --> 02:20:29,811
going in to the ancient gods of Egypt

2904
02:20:36,821 --> 02:20:33,740
each one of them is is going to have a

2905
02:20:39,581 --> 02:20:36,831
representation here I can understand the

2906
02:20:42,060 --> 02:20:39,591
connection with the Dogon because at

2907
02:20:47,100 --> 02:20:42,070
that time they were virtually next-door

2908
02:20:50,381 --> 02:20:47,110
so actually the Dogon culture preserves

2909
02:20:53,230 --> 02:20:50,391
predictably preserves elements of don't

2910
02:20:54,551 --> 02:20:53,240
of Egyptian society around 3000 BC so

2911
02:20:56,020 --> 02:20:54,561
somehow there was a very close

2912
02:20:57,970 --> 02:20:56,030
interaction between the Dogon and the

2913
02:21:00,491 --> 02:20:57,980
Egyptians at 3,000 BC they have all the

2914
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:00,501
same calendars they have similar civic

2915
02:21:04,421 --> 02:21:02,690
structures most of the dough and

2916
02:21:09,850 --> 02:21:04,431
cosmological words are also Egyptian

2917
02:21:12,341 --> 02:21:09,860
words the symbolism world over there are

2918
02:21:14,381 --> 02:21:12,351
direct connections in the hieroglyphics

2919
02:21:16,541 --> 02:21:14,391
with the with the Dogon culture too as

2920
02:21:19,211 --> 02:21:16,551
well right there are probably 30

2921
02:21:21,671 --> 02:21:19,221
Egyptian glyph that replicates shapes

2922
02:21:24,791 --> 02:21:21,681
that are Dogon cosmological drawing yeah

2923
02:21:27,881 --> 02:21:24,801
it's fascinating and then of course the

2924
02:21:31,151 --> 02:21:27,891
obvious stuff as we move into more

2925
02:21:35,621 --> 02:21:31,161
modern times and the documentation is

2926
02:21:38,621 --> 02:21:35,631
there right into Greece right and then

2927
02:21:41,551 --> 02:21:38,631
of course over into Rome and then the

2928
02:21:46,531 --> 02:21:41,561
next thing you know you've got a global

2929
02:21:48,821 --> 02:21:46,541
representation of these gods right and

2930
02:21:51,251 --> 02:21:48,831
there's similar trends in every culture

2931
02:21:52,540 --> 02:21:51,261
I mean you have a Quebec Lee Pepe you

2932
02:21:54,219 --> 02:21:52,550
can see that symbolism

2933
02:21:56,440 --> 02:21:54,229
is being associated with the animals and

2934
02:21:57,820 --> 02:21:56,450
the reason for that is because animals

2935
02:21:59,620 --> 02:21:57,830
are what's familiar to the

2936
02:22:00,910 --> 02:21:59,630
hunter-gatherers that if you're going to

2937
02:22:02,290 --> 02:22:00,920
make up a metaphor you're going to

2938
02:22:04,900 --> 02:22:02,300
create a metaphor to try to explain

2939
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:04,910
something using a salient feature of an

2940
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:07,370
animal makes perfect sense energy moves

2941
02:22:13,389 --> 02:22:11,210
the way a serpent does vibrations of

2942
02:22:15,460 --> 02:22:13,399
matter happened the way the twitching of

2943
02:22:20,349 --> 02:22:15,470
a rabbit does so of course you're going

2944
02:22:22,210 --> 02:22:20,359
to pick things if you pick things in the

2945
02:22:24,099 --> 02:22:22,220
everyday surroundings of the person

2946
02:22:25,599 --> 02:22:24,109
you're trying to teach then every time

2947
02:22:26,770 --> 02:22:25,609
they happen to see that as they're out

2948
02:22:29,440 --> 02:22:26,780
walking around doing their daily

2949
02:22:30,849 --> 02:22:29,450
whatever they're reminded of the

2950
02:22:32,889 --> 02:22:30,859
teaching that they're teaching self

2951
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:32,899
reinforces because oh there's a rabbit

2952
02:22:37,630 --> 02:22:34,640
and I'm reminded of the concept of

2953
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:37,640
vibration of manner you know it's really

2954
02:22:41,530 --> 02:22:39,530
funny if you and I went to gobekli tepe

2955
02:22:44,770 --> 02:22:41,540
I would look around and go oh that's a

2956
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:44,780
cute cat what a beautiful bird and

2957
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:47,210
you're gonna go you know what no that is

2958
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:52,240
Ganesh that is that is an energy wave

2959
02:23:00,670 --> 02:22:55,250
you know and no it's not it's a it's a

2960
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:00,680
little snake do you find yourself

2961
02:23:08,889 --> 02:23:06,010
getting complicated in your mind where

2962
02:23:12,849 --> 02:23:08,899
things like to somebody like me would be

2963
02:23:14,290 --> 02:23:12,859
observed more simplistically do you find

2964
02:23:16,840 --> 02:23:14,300
yourself getting you know getting

2965
02:23:20,889 --> 02:23:16,850
crowded in your thoughts when you start

2966
02:23:25,059 --> 02:23:20,899
to look at these sites no because I've

2967
02:23:27,219 --> 02:23:25,069
been at it long enough that I mean this

2968
02:23:29,650 --> 02:23:27,229
I have 11 or 12 books of material right

2969
02:23:30,940 --> 02:23:29,660
now that that is bouncing around in

2970
02:23:32,260 --> 02:23:30,950
there that's been accumulated you know

2971
02:23:34,059 --> 02:23:32,270
I've been I've written these books over

2972
02:23:35,860 --> 02:23:34,069
a long enough period of time so that's

2973
02:23:37,929 --> 02:23:35,870
pretty easy to keep it all straight so

2974
02:23:41,559 --> 02:23:37,939
when I go to a site I do I mean when I

2975
02:23:43,660 --> 02:23:41,569
went to an early Egyptian exhibit at a

2976
02:23:46,300 --> 02:23:43,670
museum with John Anthony West and we

2977
02:23:48,190 --> 02:23:46,310
would see an artifact he absolutely saw

2978
02:23:51,070 --> 02:23:48,200
more in that artifact that I was aware

2979
02:23:53,679 --> 02:23:51,080
of it's so funny I remember you

2980
02:23:57,370 --> 02:23:53,689
discussing symbolism one time it might

2981
02:24:03,510 --> 02:23:57,380
have been with jaws and and I'm looking

2982
02:24:08,130 --> 02:24:06,090
it's the way that I look at it

2983
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:08,140
you know when you when you break it down

2984
02:24:15,479 --> 02:24:12,880
and even John Anthony West had his mind

2985
02:24:17,939 --> 02:24:15,489
changed a lot to where he was so deeply

2986
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:17,949
rooted into certain things but when you

2987
02:24:21,780 --> 02:24:20,170
explain it that way it opens up

2988
02:24:25,229 --> 02:24:21,790
everything and then you start to

2989
02:24:26,099 --> 02:24:25,239
understand that cultures certainly like

2990
02:24:28,229 --> 02:24:26,109
the doggins

2991
02:24:30,660 --> 02:24:28,239
had a much deeper understanding of

2992
02:24:33,090 --> 02:24:30,670
science and and what the real world was

2993
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:33,100
composed of they weren't just out there

2994
02:24:39,899 --> 02:24:35,520
foraging for seeds in the dirt were they

2995
02:24:41,790 --> 02:24:39,909
no and the thing is a parent learns very

2996
02:24:43,170 --> 02:24:41,800
early that the more consistent they are

2997
02:24:45,540 --> 02:24:43,180
with the way they do things with an

2998
02:24:46,979 --> 02:24:45,550
infant the quicker the easier it is for

2999
02:24:48,990 --> 02:24:46,989
the infant to catch on to what's going

3000
02:24:51,570 --> 02:24:49,000
on if you have a ritual for bedtime

3001
02:24:53,010 --> 02:24:51,580
that's consistent every night we do this

3002
02:24:54,719 --> 02:24:53,020
and then we do this and then we do this

3003
02:24:56,490 --> 02:24:54,729
and then it's time to go to sleep the

3004
02:24:58,200 --> 02:24:56,500
kid figure is that and it's especially

3005
02:24:59,880 --> 02:24:58,210
if that's unique if there's no other

3006
02:25:01,979 --> 02:24:59,890
time a day that you do it the kid

3007
02:25:02,910 --> 02:25:01,989
figures out oh this is the time of day

3008
02:25:05,179 --> 02:25:02,920
when I was supposed to go to sleep and

3009
02:25:07,790 --> 02:25:05,189
then go to sleep

3010
02:25:10,260 --> 02:25:07,800
the same thing with this material that

3011
02:25:13,050 --> 02:25:10,270
the teachers were sticklers for

3012
02:25:15,719 --> 02:25:13,060
consistency because the more consistent

3013
02:25:17,599 --> 02:25:15,729
they were the easier it was for us to

3014
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:17,609
understand what they were talking about

3015
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:20,890
laird I'm not ready to say goodnight

3016
02:25:24,450 --> 02:25:23,050
can I keep you for overtime after this

3017
02:25:25,340 --> 02:25:24,460
break and let's keep this conversation

3018
02:25:28,019 --> 02:25:25,350
going

3019
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:28,029
sure I'd like to if I can to make a

3020
02:25:32,309 --> 02:25:29,920
quick shout out I heard my sister Maggie

3021
02:25:34,590 --> 02:25:32,319
in Portland Oregon was listening tonight

3022
02:25:37,950 --> 02:25:34,600
so it's one that's a quick hello door

3023
02:25:41,849 --> 02:25:37,960
only if Maggie can give me a go back lis

3024
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:41,859
tapi Laird stay right there let's take a

3025
02:25:46,290 --> 02:25:43,930
break this is fade to black

3026
02:25:47,639 --> 02:25:46,300
Laird Scranton great conversation we got

3027
02:25:49,649 --> 02:25:47,649
to go into overtime you guys were

3028
02:25:52,380 --> 02:25:49,659
expecting that we are discussing his new

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Church radio calm I'll be right back

3033
02:26:03,210 --> 02:26:00,819
after this short break more with Laird

3034
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:03,220
heading in overtime when we come back

3035
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3108
02:30:04,360 --> 02:30:03,219
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3109
02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:04,370
your host jimmy church our guest tonight

3110
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,110
Laird Scranton we're going into overtime

3111
02:30:11,469 --> 02:30:08,720
there you expected that there was no way

3112
02:30:15,010 --> 02:30:11,479
this conversation could possibly end

3113
02:30:16,090 --> 02:30:15,020
right now and I've saved the best for

3114
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:16,100
last

3115
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:18,560
all right I kind of get gabe Laird the

3116
02:30:24,310 --> 02:30:21,770
heads up during the break but Laird I

3117
02:30:26,620 --> 02:30:24,320
want you to think very carefully before

3118
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:26,630
you answer you always do but right now

3119
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:33,130
it's important what came first art or

3120
02:30:43,150 --> 02:30:39,110
symbolism okay so you ticket an egg

3121
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:43,160
question is okay okay let me let me let

3122
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:44,930
me warm you up a little bit to my

3123
02:30:51,130 --> 02:30:48,110
thought I'll make it brief when I look

3124
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:51,140
at cave paintings twenty thousand thirty

3125
02:30:57,940 --> 02:30:55,490
thousand years old and not to get into

3126
02:31:02,920 --> 02:30:57,950
specifics but I see a red hand on the

3127
02:31:06,429 --> 02:31:02,930
wall right right you have to step back

3128
02:31:12,010 --> 02:31:06,439
and go okay that that's an expression of

3129
02:31:15,700 --> 02:31:12,020
art or is that symbolism and that's like

3130
02:31:18,700 --> 02:31:15,710
the oldest examples of of expression

3131
02:31:21,490 --> 02:31:18,710
that we have on this planet and you have

3132
02:31:24,940 --> 02:31:21,500
to wonder what is going on with the

3133
02:31:25,890 --> 02:31:24,950
creators mind at that point so I'll ask

3134
02:31:30,940 --> 02:31:25,900
you again

3135
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:30,950
what came first settle is a more art in

3136
02:31:34,900 --> 02:31:32,810
terms of an individual I'm sure you

3137
02:31:36,700 --> 02:31:34,910
remember as a child playing in sand or

3138
02:31:40,300 --> 02:31:36,710
playing in the dirt and drawing figures

3139
02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:40,310
with a stick and the child has no

3140
02:31:46,090 --> 02:31:42,890
concept it is not in the same we were

3141
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:46,100
talking about symbolism so I would say

3142
02:31:51,550 --> 02:31:49,040
that in terms of human psyche art comes

3143
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:51,560
first and symbolism comes after and

3144
02:31:55,240 --> 02:31:53,330
truly symbolism of the sword without

3145
02:31:58,120 --> 02:31:55,250
come back with epi gave a huge shot in

3146
02:32:01,240 --> 02:31:58,130
the arm to art but when you're talking

3147
02:32:03,219 --> 02:32:01,250
about the cave paintings yes the guy who

3148
02:32:06,310 --> 02:32:03,229
painted the beautiful image of a bison

3149
02:32:10,090 --> 02:32:06,320
or some other animal on the wall of the

3150
02:32:11,500 --> 02:32:10,100
cave wanted to sign his work he didn't

3151
02:32:14,229 --> 02:32:11,510
have much we're doing that and I could

3152
02:32:16,869 --> 02:32:14,239
imagine that painting his hand

3153
02:32:21,159 --> 02:32:16,879
might be an image of his hand might be a

3154
02:32:24,729 --> 02:32:21,169
way of of claiming it but that's just a

3155
02:32:27,399 --> 02:32:24,739
guess so much of the ancient petroglyphs

3156
02:32:29,050 --> 02:32:27,409
and so forth are cosmological shapes I

3157
02:32:30,849 --> 02:32:29,060
mean these are these are shapes that are

3158
02:32:32,019 --> 02:32:30,859
important to the avocado cosmological

3159
02:32:35,859 --> 02:32:32,029
traditions all over the world the

3160
02:32:38,050 --> 02:32:35,869
creation traditions so it it's very hard

3161
02:32:39,880 --> 02:32:38,060
to sort out what was the intention here

3162
02:32:43,479 --> 02:32:39,890
in the mind of the person who made the

3163
02:32:47,380 --> 02:32:43,489
figure that's part of the problem is

3164
02:32:49,269 --> 02:32:47,390
that there are ways of tracing intention

3165
02:32:51,969 --> 02:32:49,279
back to about the end of the Ice Age

3166
02:32:53,349 --> 02:32:51,979
just before go back with Pepe but if you

3167
02:32:56,619 --> 02:32:53,359
go much further than that it becomes

3168
02:32:58,929 --> 02:32:56,629
much more difficult you have no easy way

3169
02:33:02,529 --> 02:32:58,939
to anchor an interpretation I mean my

3170
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:02,539
work depends on following what the

3171
02:33:06,639 --> 02:33:04,489
cultures themselves are saying it

3172
02:33:08,469 --> 02:33:06,649
doesn't do any good to have me come up

3173
02:33:10,569 --> 02:33:08,479
with an idea and say oh gee this looks

3174
02:33:13,809 --> 02:33:10,579
like a such-and-such to me and then go

3175
02:33:16,869 --> 02:33:13,819
try to prove it it really only works it

3176
02:33:18,699 --> 02:33:16,879
only holds water if some ancient culture

3177
02:33:20,829 --> 02:33:18,709
flatly says by the way we're talking

3178
02:33:24,579 --> 02:33:20,839
about science here and my job as a

3179
02:33:26,079 --> 02:33:24,589
researcher is to ask is there any

3180
02:33:28,710 --> 02:33:26,089
perspective from which that makes sense

3181
02:33:34,210 --> 02:33:28,720
that they were talking about science

3182
02:33:37,899 --> 02:33:34,220
when when things get complicated for me

3183
02:33:41,399 --> 02:33:37,909
is when we start to introduce the

3184
02:33:44,670 --> 02:33:41,409
concept of time when we're talking about

3185
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:44,680
cave paintings and ancient petroglyphs

3186
02:33:53,380 --> 02:33:49,600
where these symbols and this artwork

3187
02:33:56,829 --> 02:33:53,390
weren't done in a day number one number

3188
02:34:01,749 --> 02:33:56,839
two the and this is where it gets really

3189
02:34:06,599 --> 02:34:01,759
complicated that the dating some of

3190
02:34:09,579 --> 02:34:06,609
these cave paintings span 5,000 years

3191
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:09,589
now what we have to stop that's when you

3192
02:34:15,210 --> 02:34:11,449
just got to stop the bus for a second

3193
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:15,220
and really think about what we're tough

3194
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:22,640
5,000 years it's it goes beyond right

3195
02:34:27,570 --> 02:34:23,680
and

3196
02:34:31,260 --> 02:34:27,580
you think about the generational aspects

3197
02:34:34,019 --> 02:34:31,270
of the occupation of these caves by

3198
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:34,029
these artists and these cultures that

3199
02:34:42,269 --> 02:34:38,050
are developing their art well when you

3200
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:42,279
go back to the oldest parts of these

3201
02:34:51,179 --> 02:34:46,930
cave paintings 5,000 years pride 5,000

3202
02:34:56,929 --> 02:34:51,189
years of continuous you know painting

3203
02:35:01,260 --> 02:34:56,939
that some of the finest of it the 3d

3204
02:35:02,670 --> 02:35:01,270
relief action paintings of you know

3205
02:35:06,780 --> 02:35:02,680
these aren't stick figures

3206
02:35:09,870 --> 02:35:06,790
these are glorious multicolored very

3207
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:09,880
deeply painted when I say diva I'm

3208
02:35:15,870 --> 02:35:12,640
talking about of the mind right that

3209
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:15,880
where did this concept come from 5,000

3210
02:35:22,410 --> 02:35:19,410
years prior right well if you think that

3211
02:35:24,570 --> 02:35:22,420
the entirety of human civilization that

3212
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:24,580
were aware of happened over the past

3213
02:35:30,210 --> 02:35:28,170
twelve thousand years and that

3214
02:35:31,620 --> 02:35:30,220
anatomically modern humans have been

3215
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:31,630
around for more than two hundred

3216
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,720
thousand years so there's time in there

3217
02:35:37,889 --> 02:35:36,399
for quite a number of cycles of

3218
02:35:39,689 --> 02:35:37,899
development similar to what we've gone

3219
02:35:43,260 --> 02:35:39,699
through and there's no reason to think

3220
02:35:46,050 --> 02:35:43,270
that left unimpaired for twelve thousand

3221
02:35:47,370 --> 02:35:46,060
years that in any of those cycles they

3222
02:35:52,019 --> 02:35:47,380
would have gotten before we've gotten at

3223
02:35:55,950 --> 02:35:52,029
least there isn't another way to look at

3224
02:35:59,490 --> 02:35:55,960
it is there because when when you look

3225
02:36:01,410 --> 02:35:59,500
at the valleys of Spain and that you

3226
02:36:04,830 --> 02:36:01,420
know the mountain regions of France and

3227
02:36:06,570 --> 02:36:04,840
Spain were these there's earlier Kay

3228
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:06,580
paintings now that were just discovered

3229
02:36:16,189 --> 02:36:13,090
over in the Pacific Ocean on Islands out

3230
02:36:19,469 --> 02:36:16,199
there it just is dramatic by the way a

3231
02:36:21,269 --> 02:36:19,479
sophisticated art but when you think

3232
02:36:25,979 --> 02:36:21,279
about what they were doing in these

3233
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:25,989
valleys that for them to develop the

3234
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:28,960
ability to want to express themselves

3235
02:36:34,871 --> 02:36:32,800
then clearly the knowledge of I'm going

3236
02:36:37,571 --> 02:36:34,881
back to chemistry

3237
02:36:42,821 --> 02:36:37,581
you know what paint is and what colors

3238
02:36:47,801 --> 02:36:42,831
are and how to get these chemicals onto

3239
02:36:50,381 --> 02:36:47,811
the walls in a 3d aspect when I say 3d

3240
02:36:53,231 --> 02:36:50,391
these are these these paintings have

3241
02:36:55,930 --> 02:36:53,241
depth they're not 2d paintings they're

3242
02:36:58,751 --> 02:36:55,940
three names are not flat images these

3243
02:37:01,001 --> 02:36:58,761
are that you see the animal when you

3244
02:37:04,121 --> 02:37:01,011
look at I mean this is representational

3245
02:37:07,211 --> 02:37:04,131
yes there has to be something more

3246
02:37:09,401 --> 02:37:07,221
advanced going on here then then what

3247
02:37:12,220 --> 02:37:09,411
we're giving credit for even a Stone Age

3248
02:37:14,981 --> 02:37:12,230
man going back to 5000 BC for instance

3249
02:37:19,601 --> 02:37:14,991
now we have to back up before gobekli

3250
02:37:22,571 --> 02:37:19,611
tepe by another 20,000 years right yep

3251
02:37:25,361 --> 02:37:22,581
there's a lot of mystery still to be

3252
02:37:27,511 --> 02:37:25,371
sorted out and I've done the easy part

3253
02:37:32,441 --> 02:37:27,521
getting past the age is the tricky part

3254
02:37:33,281 --> 02:37:32,451
what do you think right that's funny

3255
02:37:35,801 --> 02:37:33,291
that's funny

3256
02:37:40,871 --> 02:37:35,811
inside joke there everybody but that was

3257
02:37:44,111 --> 02:37:40,881
that was good stuff but when when we

3258
02:37:48,161 --> 02:37:44,121
when we talked about this I'm going back

3259
02:37:50,771 --> 02:37:48,171
ancient K painting it seems that again

3260
02:37:53,501 --> 02:37:50,781
once again somebody was taught somebody

3261
02:37:56,291 --> 02:37:53,511
had to show somebody how to paint

3262
02:37:59,351 --> 02:37:56,301
somebody had to show how to go and

3263
02:38:02,531 --> 02:37:59,361
collect the pigments somebody had to

3264
02:38:05,081 --> 02:38:02,541
show how to make the tools and and this

3265
02:38:06,911 --> 02:38:05,091
was handed down if there there there

3266
02:38:11,651 --> 02:38:06,921
there can't be another way to look at it

3267
02:38:15,161 --> 02:38:11,661
nothing was invented here well the right

3268
02:38:19,841 --> 02:38:15,171
I mean the the major things well as I

3269
02:38:24,311 --> 02:38:19,851
said it for for us to say that the

3270
02:38:27,251 --> 02:38:24,321
ancient cultures were taught if it were

3271
02:38:28,841 --> 02:38:27,261
just a saying and it would be dismissive

3272
02:38:31,390 --> 02:38:28,851
of them and of their intellect because

3273
02:38:33,851 --> 02:38:31,400
they were anatomically modern humans

3274
02:38:36,911 --> 02:38:33,861
they were as capable as we are but for

3275
02:38:38,591 --> 02:38:36,921
them to say by the way someone more

3276
02:38:42,451 --> 02:38:38,601
capable than I was taught us how to do

3277
02:38:44,771 --> 02:38:42,461
this that's a statement we can take

3278
02:38:47,621 --> 02:38:44,781
seriously and try to explore without

3279
02:38:48,580 --> 02:38:47,631
denigrating the culture at all look at

3280
02:38:52,480 --> 02:38:48,590
their to the other ones

3281
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:52,490
it happened do you think that there will

3282
02:39:00,130 --> 02:38:56,210
be a moment very soon

3283
02:39:02,920 --> 02:39:00,140
where there is some element of the deep

3284
02:39:06,599 --> 02:39:02,930
past the far past fifty thousand years

3285
02:39:10,270 --> 02:39:06,609
ago a hundred thousand years ago where

3286
02:39:14,580 --> 02:39:10,280
evidence surfaces of an absolute

3287
02:39:18,670 --> 02:39:14,590
advanced culture that that came and went

3288
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:18,680
and and and if that does happen what

3289
02:39:23,889 --> 02:39:21,290
what ultimately do we do what do we do

3290
02:39:27,130 --> 02:39:23,899
with the universities and the education

3291
02:39:31,330 --> 02:39:27,140
system here because we have we've had a

3292
02:39:34,920 --> 02:39:31,340
set dogma that we have absolutely lived

3293
02:39:36,910 --> 02:39:34,930
by for a very long time well I have a

3294
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:36,920
there's a research right now named

3295
02:39:41,530 --> 02:39:39,050
Michael Cremo who wrote a seminal book

3296
02:39:45,790 --> 02:39:41,540
called forbidden archeology it's about a

3297
02:39:47,020 --> 02:39:45,800
700 page book and in it the only thing

3298
02:39:50,679 --> 02:39:47,030
that's happening in the book is he is

3299
02:39:52,420 --> 02:39:50,689
documenting anomalous claims have nama

3300
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:52,430
a lot nama with spines that have been

3301
02:39:57,540 --> 02:39:54,800
excavated from archaeological sites that

3302
02:40:01,960 --> 02:39:57,550
don't fit the paradigm down to

3303
02:40:03,639 --> 02:40:01,970
technological finds of various sorts we

3304
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:03,649
know what science is gonna do with that

3305
02:40:08,020 --> 02:40:05,120
they're going to continue to try to do

3306
02:40:11,050 --> 02:40:08,030
what they have been doing which is the

3307
02:40:15,210 --> 02:40:11,060
thing mostly gets ignored it flies in

3308
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:15,220
the face of what the main line of

3309
02:40:21,190 --> 02:40:19,370
history says happened but we've already

3310
02:40:23,410 --> 02:40:21,200
stumbled across claims like that they're

3311
02:40:25,389 --> 02:40:23,420
going to be more certainly when has the

3312
02:40:27,880 --> 02:40:25,399
tundra melts and the ice melts of the

3313
02:40:30,610 --> 02:40:27,890
ice caps we're going to stumble upon

3314
02:40:32,139 --> 02:40:30,620
things the problem is that over the

3315
02:40:33,550 --> 02:40:32,149
course of five thousand years five

3316
02:40:36,250 --> 02:40:33,560
thousand years from now there would be

3317
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:36,260
no evidence of a skyscraper having

3318
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:39,770
existed in Manhattan the metal would no

3319
02:40:43,870 --> 02:40:41,600
longer be there all it would be less the

3320
02:40:47,980 --> 02:40:43,880
only thing that survives is are things

3321
02:40:50,139 --> 02:40:47,990
that are made of stone so you could have

3322
02:40:51,460 --> 02:40:50,149
had a very highly technological society

3323
02:40:54,130 --> 02:40:51,470
that was using metal at very

3324
02:40:55,389 --> 02:40:54,140
sophisticated ways and 5,000 years later

3325
02:40:57,730 --> 02:40:55,399
as far as we're concerned it didn't

3326
02:41:00,460 --> 02:40:57,740
exist nothing survives must happen to be

3327
02:41:03,750 --> 02:41:00,470
in the perfect setting where it was

3328
02:41:08,860 --> 02:41:03,760
perfectly preserved and we happen to

3329
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:08,870
the and Michael Cremo points out so many

3330
02:41:15,310 --> 02:41:13,610
things that when you're talking about

3331
02:41:20,380 --> 02:41:15,320
something that's a hundred million years

3332
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:20,390
old right that that science is never and

3333
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:23,120
historians universities are never going

3334
02:41:30,761 --> 02:41:26,570
to agree with that it's very simple they

3335
02:41:34,210 --> 02:41:30,771
can't but if like you know talking about

3336
02:41:36,730 --> 02:41:34,220
the caves in France when those which

3337
02:41:39,640 --> 02:41:36,740
weren't discovered until the twentieth

3338
02:41:42,610 --> 02:41:39,650
century right yeah you know and you go

3339
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:42,620
inside this cave and you find thirty

3340
02:41:53,890 --> 02:41:50,090
thousand year old paintbrush right right

3341
02:41:55,690 --> 02:41:53,900
and how do you think because you have

3342
02:41:58,390 --> 02:41:55,700
looked at this so much and certainly

3343
02:42:02,860 --> 02:41:58,400
with symbolism what is it that they were

3344
02:42:05,950 --> 02:42:02,870
trying to preserve I understand you know

3345
02:42:08,710 --> 02:42:05,960
hunting and animals and things but

3346
02:42:12,011 --> 02:42:08,720
there's there's a definite there's a

3347
02:42:14,470 --> 02:42:12,021
definite story there and it is expressed

3348
02:42:17,261 --> 02:42:14,480
with motion and an understanding of

3349
02:42:19,300 --> 02:42:17,271
dynamics that shouldn't have been going

3350
02:42:22,870 --> 02:42:19,310
out we don't see it in other petroglyphs

3351
02:42:26,170 --> 02:42:22,880
around the world there we have an

3352
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:26,180
understanding of not only motion and

3353
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:30,080
energy but a way to represent it that we

3354
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:31,850
would understand today what is it they

3355
02:42:35,440 --> 02:42:34,010
they were trying to tell us well it

3356
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:35,450
might have been instructional you know

3357
02:42:41,140 --> 02:42:38,690
that they're long months of winter when

3358
02:42:46,090 --> 02:42:41,150
they possibly couldn't go out and hunt

3359
02:42:49,150 --> 02:42:46,100
and they wanted to prepare a young

3360
02:42:50,500 --> 02:42:49,160
hunter for to go out and do it and

3361
02:42:52,060 --> 02:42:50,510
wanted to explain to them here's what

3362
02:42:53,230 --> 02:42:52,070
you're going to account encounter this

3363
02:42:56,020 --> 02:42:53,240
is what you have to look for here's

3364
02:43:01,030 --> 02:42:56,030
where you have to hit the the beast with

3365
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:01,040
spear or an arrow someone may have just

3366
02:43:08,500 --> 02:43:03,200
been trying to realistically portray

3367
02:43:13,720 --> 02:43:08,510
that as an instructional purpose yeah

3368
02:43:16,090 --> 02:43:13,730
and I also I can't imagine how important

3369
02:43:18,040 --> 02:43:16,100
it was for them to

3370
02:43:21,010 --> 02:43:18,050
you create these paintings there were

3371
02:43:22,899 --> 02:43:21,020
other issues of the day right right to

3372
02:43:26,170 --> 02:43:22,909
be but somebody had time on their hands

3373
02:43:28,510 --> 02:43:26,180
and time enough to develop mad skills as

3374
02:43:31,210 --> 02:43:28,520
an artist to be able to do this

3375
02:43:32,769 --> 02:43:31,220
this wasn't casually you know what it

3376
02:43:35,469 --> 02:43:32,779
takes if you have any friends who are

3377
02:43:36,969 --> 02:43:35,479
accomplished artists you understand that

3378
02:43:42,099 --> 02:43:36,979
those are not skills as a person that

3379
02:43:44,889 --> 02:43:42,109
acquires just casually yeah and see this

3380
02:43:49,240 --> 02:43:44,899
is the thing and I'm gonna move on after

3381
02:43:52,530 --> 02:43:49,250
this but there must have been for all of

3382
02:43:58,450 --> 02:43:52,540
these caves around the world this same

3383
02:44:01,149 --> 02:43:58,460
order almost like monks right where it's

3384
02:44:04,840 --> 02:44:01,159
a constant occupation of the cave you

3385
02:44:08,380 --> 02:44:04,850
are teaching your apprentice how to

3386
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:08,390
paint this isn't smudging on the wall

3387
02:44:14,320 --> 02:44:11,330
done with with your fingertips there are

3388
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:14,330
fine lines there

3389
02:44:20,649 --> 02:44:16,880
the colors are retained inside of those

3390
02:44:23,439 --> 02:44:20,659
lines the expression is there and the it

3391
02:44:26,349 --> 02:44:23,449
was like I said earlier a constant

3392
02:44:29,969 --> 02:44:26,359
occupation of 5,000 years handing down

3393
02:44:32,200 --> 02:44:29,979
the knowledge from teacher to apprentice

3394
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:32,210
generation after generation after

3395
02:44:39,880 --> 02:44:37,130
generation right everybody everybody had

3396
02:44:42,399 --> 02:44:39,890
that crazy uncle who was willing to try

3397
02:44:44,139 --> 02:44:42,409
anything I mean I often think about what

3398
02:44:46,809 --> 02:44:44,149
it took to discover which foods were

3399
02:44:48,099 --> 02:44:46,819
edible how many people's crazy uncle

3400
02:44:52,120 --> 02:44:48,109
died because he was willing to try

3401
02:44:55,389 --> 02:44:52,130
anything and and and I see the same

3402
02:44:57,639 --> 02:44:55,399
thing at gobekli tepe swinging this back

3403
02:45:00,580 --> 02:44:57,649
around to gobekli tepe in that we know

3404
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:00,590
that the facts of the case are very

3405
02:45:06,910 --> 02:45:04,880
simple that there were one one structure

3406
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:06,920
laid up upon another we don't know

3407
02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:08,890
exactly how deep it goes we don't know

3408
02:45:13,840 --> 02:45:11,810
exactly how old it is there they're

3409
02:45:15,790 --> 02:45:13,850
doing the ground-penetrating radar now

3410
02:45:19,689 --> 02:45:15,800
discovering more and more about the site

3411
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:19,699
but there is an end game to gobekli tepe

3412
02:45:26,679 --> 02:45:23,439
in that it was without a doubt

3413
02:45:28,899 --> 02:45:26,689
deliberately buried right same thing on

3414
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:28,909
Orkney with certain sites there were

3415
02:45:37,360 --> 02:45:29,690
deliberately

3416
02:45:40,690 --> 02:45:37,370
it was a time capsule right it was a

3417
02:45:44,220 --> 02:45:40,700
museum they wanted it preserved and

3418
02:45:47,621 --> 02:45:44,230
discovered at a later date or was there

3419
02:45:49,421 --> 02:45:47,631
something else a catastrophe that they

3420
02:45:51,761 --> 02:45:49,431
knew about that was about to happen and

3421
02:45:54,730 --> 02:45:51,771
they wanted to save it and maybe

3422
02:45:57,730 --> 02:45:54,740
unburied for themselves at a later date

3423
02:45:59,530 --> 02:45:57,740
we have some clues there's an ancient

3424
02:46:05,501 --> 02:45:59,540
Egyptian word that means to cover over

3425
02:46:08,350 --> 02:46:05,511
and it's pronounced Ark now the shape of

3426
02:46:11,171 --> 02:46:08,360
the enclosure of Gobekli Tepe is this a

3427
02:46:13,541 --> 02:46:11,181
very closely matching shape to a Dogon

3428
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,551
drawing this called the Ark of vogel our

3429
02:46:18,430 --> 02:46:15,200
oval is a character who represents a

3430
02:46:23,621 --> 02:46:18,440
character he plays the role of light in

3431
02:46:27,730 --> 02:46:23,631
Dogon mythology the Egyptian word to

3432
02:46:30,490 --> 02:46:27,740
cover over the glyphs repeat the

3433
02:46:32,470 --> 02:46:30,500
sequence of events that happen every day

3434
02:46:36,011 --> 02:46:32,480
in a Jewish temple when they finish

3435
02:46:39,240 --> 02:46:36,021
reading Torah scroll they cover it over

3436
02:46:41,440 --> 02:46:39,250
and they tie it and they put it back in

3437
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:41,450
cabinet this is called an Aurora

3438
02:46:50,411 --> 02:46:46,570
ha'qodesh which is a ruby in the dark so

3439
02:46:52,480 --> 02:46:50,421
it looks to me as if hovering over the

3440
02:46:54,970 --> 02:46:52,490
site if we see this as an instructional

3441
02:46:57,280 --> 02:46:54,980
site the same way that the reading of a

3442
02:46:59,350 --> 02:46:57,290
portion of the Torah scroll every day in

3443
02:47:02,381 --> 02:46:59,360
temples all around the world is an

3444
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:02,391
instructional act that when that act has

3445
02:47:07,150 --> 02:47:05,120
brought to completion the proper thing

3446
02:47:12,450 --> 02:47:07,160
to do is to cover it over to tie it and

3447
02:47:15,100 --> 02:47:12,460
put it back that by burying the site

3448
02:47:18,551 --> 02:47:15,110
first of all they're telling us what the

3449
02:47:20,921 --> 02:47:18,561
site was it's an ark that's what we're

3450
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:20,931
covering it over it means Ark if you can

3451
02:47:25,240 --> 02:47:22,250
say that it was covered you can say what

3452
02:47:27,881 --> 02:47:25,250
it was the second thing is they're

3453
02:47:29,921 --> 02:47:27,891
telling us that the instructional

3454
02:47:31,511 --> 02:47:29,931
purpose of the site came was brought to

3455
02:47:33,220 --> 02:47:31,521
its proper completion because if it

3456
02:47:33,911 --> 02:47:33,230
hadn't been they wouldn't have had time

3457
02:47:35,740 --> 02:47:33,921
to cover it

3458
02:47:38,621 --> 02:47:35,750
that means everything they meant to

3459
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:38,631
teach they finish teaching covered ago

3460
02:47:42,660 --> 02:47:40,370
were preserved it if you imagine that

3461
02:47:44,820 --> 02:47:42,670
the symbolic system was

3462
02:47:48,170 --> 02:47:44,830
aimed at a target audience it was

3463
02:47:49,890 --> 02:47:48,180
thousands of years into the future then

3464
02:47:52,170 --> 02:47:49,900
clearly they could have had the

3465
02:47:54,300 --> 02:47:52,180
attention to bury a sight for that for

3466
02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:54,310
the benefit of that same audience to

3467
02:48:00,980 --> 02:47:57,130
give us something to go on in terms of

3468
02:48:06,300 --> 02:48:00,990
what hope but the motivation here now

3469
02:48:08,580 --> 02:48:06,310
the similarities to the way arthur c

3470
02:48:11,130 --> 02:48:08,590
clarke portrayed the monolith on the

3471
02:48:13,350 --> 02:48:11,140
moon right that was deliberately buried

3472
02:48:15,270 --> 02:48:13,360
I will never forget the scene right

3473
02:48:17,070 --> 02:48:15,280
deliberately buried yes it was

3474
02:48:20,670 --> 02:48:17,080
deliberately very deliberately buried

3475
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:20,680
yes it was deliberately buried well when

3476
02:48:26,940 --> 02:48:22,450
we talk about gobekli tepe that

3477
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:26,950
constantly pops into my mind and you

3478
02:48:32,940 --> 02:48:29,680
know so here we know now that it was

3479
02:48:35,940 --> 02:48:32,950
deliberately buried and could it could

3480
02:48:39,480 --> 02:48:35,950
it could it signal and I'm not talking

3481
02:48:42,420 --> 02:48:39,490
necessarily offworld but is this part of

3482
02:48:45,420 --> 02:48:42,430
another you know is there a bigger plan

3483
02:48:48,840 --> 02:48:45,430
here that now that Gobekli Tepe is

3484
02:48:56,100 --> 02:48:48,850
unveiled and we are figuring it out is

3485
02:48:57,719 --> 02:48:56,110
that the reason why it was art I mean

3486
02:48:58,980 --> 02:48:57,729
that that good that could be that there

3487
02:49:03,030 --> 02:48:58,990
could have been similar kind of

3488
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:03,040
intention with art now what about these

3489
02:49:10,010 --> 02:49:08,050
teachers are they have they left and are

3490
02:49:13,500 --> 02:49:10,020
they going to come back

3491
02:49:15,690 --> 02:49:13,510
the Dogon say that after a period of

3492
02:49:18,330 --> 02:49:15,700
time their teachers their mythological

3493
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:18,340
teachers either chose to leave or were

3494
02:49:23,850 --> 02:49:20,650
forced to leave and that the Dogon saw

3495
02:49:26,190 --> 02:49:23,860
that as a turning point for Humanity not

3496
02:49:31,950 --> 02:49:26,200
a not one for the betterment of humanity

3497
02:49:34,650 --> 02:49:31,960
but for the worst the way the cycle

3498
02:49:38,730 --> 02:49:34,660
works the way the Yuga cycle concept

3499
02:49:40,380 --> 02:49:38,740
works and the way I understand the

3500
02:49:43,140 --> 02:49:40,390
motivation of those teachers for doing

3501
02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:43,150
what they did there are apparent there's

3502
02:49:50,130 --> 02:49:47,770
a periodic circumstance that arises that

3503
02:49:52,530 --> 02:49:50,140
requires one universe to continue in an

3504
02:49:53,670 --> 02:49:52,540
ongoing way to do that kind of perform

3505
02:49:55,950 --> 02:49:53,680
that kind of service for the other

3506
02:50:01,139 --> 02:49:55,960
universe to educate for the

3507
02:50:02,519 --> 02:50:01,149
material side of things too to try to

3508
02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:02,529
present a civilizing plan to the

3509
02:50:11,880 --> 02:50:06,250
material side and so the idea of the

3510
02:50:13,650 --> 02:50:11,890
teachers coming back not so much the

3511
02:50:15,960 --> 02:50:13,660
idea of the same teachers coming back

3512
02:50:17,790 --> 02:50:15,970
but the idea of there being a cycle

3513
02:50:22,460 --> 02:50:17,800
where another group of teachers will be

3514
02:50:24,900 --> 02:50:22,470
motivated to instruct another group of

3515
02:50:27,950 --> 02:50:24,910
material creatures in the same way is

3516
02:50:31,080 --> 02:50:27,960
something I think is an ongoing process

3517
02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:31,090
this is what I see as being the concept

3518
02:50:38,849 --> 02:50:34,000
of the covenant between the universes is

3519
02:50:42,420 --> 02:50:38,859
the timing of its with you know the

3520
02:50:44,760 --> 02:50:42,430
great year the great cycle however we

3521
02:50:48,439 --> 02:50:44,770
want to reference it we do know it's

3522
02:50:51,570 --> 02:50:48,449
around 26,000 years of course is that

3523
02:50:55,710 --> 02:50:51,580
cycle or half cycle it doesn't matter is

3524
02:51:04,040 --> 02:50:55,720
that tied in to directly to the Age of

3525
02:51:07,800 --> 02:51:04,050
Aquarius we're now moving from a court

3526
02:51:10,229 --> 02:51:07,810
Pisces into Aquarius that's right at

3527
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:10,239
least according to yeah right we are

3528
02:51:19,260 --> 02:51:16,760
depending on the source you consult

3529
02:51:21,420 --> 02:51:19,270
different sources CSS being at a

3530
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:21,430
different stage of that energetic cycle

3531
02:51:26,340 --> 02:51:23,040
the user cycle uh-huh

3532
02:51:29,519 --> 02:51:26,350
my sources make it look as if we're just

3533
02:51:34,650 --> 02:51:29,529
now coming to completion with in Cobble

3534
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:34,660
ISM they represented that the remainder

3535
02:51:40,370 --> 02:51:36,880
of the cycle that we had to had to get

3536
02:51:42,719 --> 02:51:40,380
through was approximately 6,000 years

3537
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:42,729
the year in the Hebrew calendar right

3538
02:51:50,189 --> 02:51:47,920
now is 57 80 so we're at approximately

3539
02:51:52,410 --> 02:51:50,199
6,000 years based on that kind of a

3540
02:51:55,170 --> 02:51:52,420
reference right now we should have just

3541
02:51:59,570 --> 02:51:55,180
passed the bottom of the cycle and be

3542
02:52:06,030 --> 02:52:03,059
the traditional view in Buddhism or

3543
02:52:08,921 --> 02:52:06,040
Hinduism is that we passed bottom about

3544
02:52:11,650 --> 02:52:08,931
maybe a thousand years ago

3545
02:52:13,301 --> 02:52:11,660
but the era in which the teachers come

3546
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:13,311
isn't until about the mid way through

3547
02:52:18,911 --> 02:52:16,160
the cycle so I third - a mid way through

3548
02:52:21,041 --> 02:52:18,921
the mid way through the cycle so if it's

3549
02:52:22,421 --> 02:52:21,051
a 12,000 year half cycle and we're a

3550
02:52:24,551 --> 02:52:22,431
thousand years into it we're still

3551
02:52:26,980 --> 02:52:24,561
several thousand years away from when

3552
02:52:29,261 --> 02:52:26,990
that kind of crossover could happen

3553
02:52:32,381 --> 02:52:29,271
again yeah is it and I find that

3554
02:52:35,650 --> 02:52:32,391
depressing because I would love to I

3555
02:52:38,741 --> 02:52:35,660
would love for it to be 2021 right I

3556
02:52:41,081 --> 02:52:38,751
would like liked to to be around for

3557
02:52:43,331 --> 02:52:41,091
this and then there are some calendars

3558
02:52:48,581 --> 02:52:43,341
that point to the edge of a query Age of

3559
02:52:53,201 --> 02:52:48,591
Aquarius isn't until around 2600 Rett

3560
02:52:56,381 --> 02:52:53,211
2020 right now and the Kabbalistic

3561
02:52:59,261 --> 02:52:56,391
calendar being another 220 years away

3562
02:53:02,501 --> 02:52:59,271
and and I understand all of that but if

3563
02:53:07,060 --> 02:53:02,511
we back up to gobekli tepe and we look

3564
02:53:10,661 --> 02:53:07,070
at the cycle on the pillar that has what

3565
02:53:14,470 --> 02:53:10,671
appears to be a Zodiac and the

3566
02:53:16,661 --> 02:53:14,480
possibility of a cycle of time there do

3567
02:53:21,371 --> 02:53:16,671
you think that things start to correlate

3568
02:53:23,291 --> 02:53:21,381
and that may represent Aquarius and and

3569
02:53:25,841 --> 02:53:23,301
moving out of Pisces and we're not going

3570
02:53:34,631 --> 02:53:25,851
to see that until 2600 or is there

3571
02:53:38,140 --> 02:53:34,641
another calendar on that pillar there is

3572
02:53:45,131 --> 02:53:38,150
a correlation between that half cycle

3573
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:45,141
and the spectrum of colors say what okay

3574
02:53:50,411 --> 02:53:47,690
you're familiar with the rainbow rainbow

3575
02:53:53,230 --> 02:53:50,421
spectrum of colors of course one of the

3576
02:53:56,230 --> 02:53:53,240
metaphors that applies to that half

3577
02:53:59,860 --> 02:53:56,240
cycle is the rainbow spectrum spectrum

3578
02:54:02,921 --> 02:53:59,870
of colors that green which is them okay

3579
02:54:08,831 --> 02:54:02,931
the spectrum is red orange yellow green

3580
02:54:11,201 --> 02:54:08,841
blue indigo violet right okay yellow is

3581
02:54:12,701 --> 02:54:11,211
the colors associated with a fox a fox

3582
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:12,711
is one of the prominent animals on the

3583
02:54:14,621 --> 02:54:14,240
pillars that go back to Taipei that's

3584
02:54:17,081 --> 02:54:14,631
right

3585
02:54:20,800 --> 02:54:17,091
from my perspective of the timing of the

3586
02:54:29,029 --> 02:54:25,000
comparing the 12,000 years cycle to the

3587
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:29,039
progression of seven colors that Gobekli

3588
02:54:33,739 --> 02:54:31,439
Tepe might have ended in the era of that

3589
02:54:36,739 --> 02:54:33,749
would correspond to yellow I know for

3590
02:54:41,199 --> 02:54:36,749
sure that cigar break corresponds that

3591
02:54:45,199 --> 02:54:41,209
you're that correspond to the green the

3592
02:54:48,019 --> 02:54:45,209
idea is that there's a range of time in

3593
02:54:49,729 --> 02:54:48,029
there when it's more optimum to cross

3594
02:54:53,019 --> 02:54:49,739
over from one University to the other

3595
02:54:57,619 --> 02:54:53,029
and it begins at yellow and it ends at

3596
02:55:04,219 --> 02:54:57,629
indigo indigo is the color of the

3597
02:55:07,250 --> 02:55:04,229
highest Ovid priest so what are we

3598
02:55:11,059 --> 02:55:07,260
looking at on a time scale are we

3599
02:55:14,359 --> 02:55:11,069
looking at something that is eminent or

3600
02:55:18,519 --> 02:55:14,369
do you think it's it's pushed out you

3601
02:55:23,210 --> 02:55:20,899
strictly according to the cycle it would

3602
02:55:24,590 --> 02:55:23,220
be pushed out a few thousand years but

3603
02:55:26,569 --> 02:55:24,600
there are sorts of indications that

3604
02:55:30,649 --> 02:55:26,579
there are reversal reversals happening

3605
02:55:32,269 --> 02:55:30,659
right now and all sorts of implications

3606
02:55:36,189 --> 02:55:32,279
that there crossover is happening right

3607
02:55:38,989 --> 02:55:36,199
now I mean if we want to understand UFOs

3608
02:55:40,729 --> 02:55:38,999
John Max view was we're looking at an

3609
02:55:43,729 --> 02:55:40,739
indoor universe or an interdimensional

3610
02:55:47,540 --> 02:55:43,739
effect which means somebody has the

3611
02:55:50,330 --> 02:55:47,550
ability to cross over right now Laird

3612
02:55:53,510 --> 02:55:50,340
Scranton what a conversation tonight my

3613
02:55:55,819 --> 02:55:53,520
friend thank you so much and please give

3614
02:55:57,739 --> 02:55:55,829
my best to Risa and I'm gonna hold up

3615
02:56:00,290 --> 02:55:57,749
the book again there it is primal wisdom

3616
02:56:03,050 --> 02:56:00,300
of the Ancients you can pre-order it now

3617
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:03,060
and I look forward to our next

3618
02:56:08,269 --> 02:56:04,800
conversation and you know what maybe

3619
02:56:13,849 --> 02:56:08,279
next time we'll just go full-on UFO what

3620
02:56:15,769 --> 02:56:13,859
do you say sounds great Laird thank you

3621
02:56:19,130 --> 02:56:15,779
so much my friend be safe and be well

3622
02:56:23,119 --> 02:56:19,140
out there - it's a crazy world one other

3623
02:56:25,189 --> 02:56:23,129
thing to say we say be safe I saw a sign

3624
02:56:27,649 --> 02:56:25,199
in a store that said be safe in English

3625
02:56:29,899 --> 02:56:27,659
but it also had Spanish translation and

3626
02:56:32,869 --> 02:56:29,909
the Spanish translation meant literally

3627
02:56:33,380 --> 02:56:32,879
take care of each other that's exactly

3628
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:33,390
right

3629
02:56:36,090 --> 02:56:34,210
that protects

3630
02:56:37,950 --> 02:56:36,100
to each other that's exactly right Laird

3631
02:56:40,740 --> 02:56:37,960
thank you so much my friend right I just

3632
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:40,750
had an amazing conversation I learned so

3633
02:56:45,990 --> 02:56:44,170
much I always do thank you very much

3634
02:56:49,230 --> 02:56:46,000
have a great night

3635
02:56:52,410 --> 02:56:49,240
Laird Scranton and you can pre-order the

3636
02:56:56,250 --> 02:56:52,420
book now and the links are over at Jimmy

3637
02:56:58,290 --> 02:56:56,260
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3639
02:57:02,460 --> 02:57:00,520
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3640
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3657
02:57:40,940 --> 02:57:38,670
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